Sculpting project

Itchy

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i vote for this;
dorothysketch.jpg

dorothy.

Can i be on the team that does the monkey on the right? Please? i think he\'d be good with a goblin-esk look to him and the monkey to the left is more of a boss flying monkey and has a more pissed off look. Dorothy? Maybe just a scared/innocent look?

Just my 2 cents. Whenda we start?:flip::bouncy::flip:
 

green stuff

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In accord with Medved, we are freezing the list :

1.Medved
2.green stuff
3.Spacemunkie
4.minimaker
5.t_haye2
6.Orb
7.Trevor
8.Tuubje
9.Itchy
10.waxfive
11.Xavier

If anybody else wanted to join, sorry but there will be other occasions ;).

11 is a lot, but we\'ll try to find tasks for everybody. However, if it wasn\'t possible, we would have to go on a first come first served base (but I wouldn\'t want to miss the talents who joined us lastly ;))

I think we should keep on discussing the theme over the week and I\'ll put up a poll over the week-end so that we can get started with the sculpting on Monday (so plan 2 minutes to vote over the week-end).
 

green stuff

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IP

Does anybody know if there are any IP considerations to have with the Dorothy theme? Do WB just have the rights on the movie? Is \"The Wizard of Oz\" a classic like \"Snow White\" or does somebody have the rights on it like \"Lord of the Rings\"?
 

minimaker

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according to the gutenberg site the book, published in 1900, is not copyrighted:
http://www.gutenberg.net/etext/55
(note the title. It is The Wonderful Wizard of Oz)
The book is not in the us copyright office online database (http://www.copyright.gov - only books from after 1978) but looking at the faq the copyright lasted either 28 or 56 years depending on renewal.

Nevertheless there is a trust for the Frank Baum family and they seem to license the illustrations from the book: http://www.oz-central.com/license02.html No idea how that works copyrightwise but I think we should avoid using original pics. Looking at those pics that won\'t be a problem. Our sketches don\'t look a bit like those in the books. We could check with Oz-central.

Do note that Dorothy looks a lot younger in the original illustrations than what the popular image is. I just checked and in the 1939 movie Judy Garland was 16 while playing a 12 year old Dorothy. As to the age of Dorothy, there is some discussion but it seems accepted she was 12 when she came to live in Oz and probably 7 in her first adventure (which pretty much follows the original illustrations).

The movie is from 1939, so the original copyright already expired. But MGM may have renewed it. I don\'t know.

I\'m not a copyright expert but I think we\'re ok when we simply base our design on the story. And that\'s going to be a personal interpretation as I read there is no physical description of Dorothy in the book. Only info is \"Arkansas farm girl living in a pretty drab area\". I just had a quick look at the first chapter of the first book where you usually find descriptions and there is none. So unless there is one in the other books we\'re free to do what we want. Toto is only described \" he was a little black dog, with long silky hair and small black eyes that twinkled merrily on either side of his funny, wee nose\".

As to the scene we\'ve sketched: \"But Dorothy they did not harm at all. She stood, with Toto in her arms, watching the sad fate of her comrades and thinking it would soon be her turn. The leader of the Winged Monkeys flew up to her, his long, hairy arms stretched out and his ugly face grinning terribly; but he saw the mark of the Good Witch\'s kiss upon her forehead and stopped short, motioning the others not to touch her.

\"We dare not harm this little girl,\" he said to them, \"for she is protected by the Power of Good, and that is greater than the Power of Evil. All we can do is to carry her to the castle of the Wicked Witch and leave her there.\"

So, carefully and gently, they lifted Dorothy in their arms and carried her swiftly through the air until they came to the castle, where they set her down upon the front doorstep. Then the leader said to the Witch:
\"We have obeyed you as far as we were able. The Tin Woodman and the Scarecrow are destroyed, and the Lion is tied up in your yard. The little girl we dare not harm, nor the dog she carries in her arms. Your power over our band is now ended, and you will never see us again.\"

Nuff info for now I think. :)

Oh, one more thing. I\'m about to ask around for casting quotations for another project. I\'ll ask about this one as well.
 

Tuubje

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Ok, if we want to stay loyal to the book (not sure if we want to :) )
How about a disgusted dorothy and a snarling flying monkey on a pillar.
To the drawin boards Robin!! tadadadadadaaa tuubman, tuubman, tuubman! POW! DRAW! PENCIL!
 

green stuff

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Great material Ming-Hua. Thanks for your contributions. By the way, what are our limits considering the number of parts composing the mini?

@Tuubje : go Tuubman :). Reassure me, you aren\'t wearing a latex suit are you ;)?
 

minimaker

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By the way, what are our limits considering the number of parts composing the mini?

More parts, more mould cavities, more costly to cast. :) So the fewer parts you have, the better. I think we can limit it to two or three parts max if I look at the desings up till now. Depends on the final design.

Sizewise we should try to stay within 20mm thickness. (i.e. perpendicular to the mouldline). Width and height about 35mm or so.

Queries to the casters are on their way.
 

waxfive

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fewer parts isn\'t realy an issue as we will be paying for the weight in metal anyway, ease of casting is the thing esp if we go for a caster that charges labour on top of mould and metal costs ( some have a higher metal cost that takes into account the time spent casting )

as we will probably have to buy a whole mould then i think that we can get away with a load of parts if we realy wanted, a 9\" master mould will usually fit 8 28/32 mm figures, the extra cost would come with production costs if we chose to market the figure afterwards, but that would be recouped by selling the figure anyway :)

the designs so far look good, although i\'m not to sure about bulking between two outstreached arms, sure it will work but it will leave an ugly triangle of metal in the middle that would be very hard to disguise

all in all i think that this will be a fun project :)
 

Orb

procrastinator
Well I\'m glad there are some VERY experienced sculptors in on this - although I can sculpt, it\'s the technical aspect that I\'ve no experience in and this should be a major learning experience!

this is fascinating:)
 

minimaker

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Origineel geplaatst door waxfive fewer parts isn\'t realy an issue as we will be paying for the weight in metal anyway,
I expect the highest cost to be in labour and moulds. Some companies will charge a set price for making the mastermould but there are others that will let you share a mastermould with other figures (their own range for instance). I know one company that charges per cavity and another that has a special deal for mouldsharing. And some companies charge per hour mouldmaking. So I\'d still try to limit the number of parts.

Price per cast is usually per weigth as you say but I\'ve also seen quotation with a set price for a quantity and ones with a set price per cast (especially for small runs).

We\'ll have more clarity when all estimates are in. When we get to the point we have to decide about that we can ask more companies for quotations.

Question for the qroup. Where is everybody from? This is what I already figured out:
1.Medved -
2.green stuff - France
3.Spacemunkie - UK
4.minimaker - Netherlands
5.t_haye2 - UK
6.Orb - UK
7.Trevor - Australia
8.Tuubje - Belgium
9.Itchy - US
10.waxfive -
11.Xavier -
 

green stuff

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Updated for Medved :

1.Medved - UK
2.green stuff - France
3.Spacemunkie - UK
4.minimaker - Netherlands
5.t_haye2 - UK
6.Orb - UK
7.Trevor - Australia
8.Tuubje - Belgium
9.Itchy - US
10.waxfive -
11.Xavier -
 

waxfive

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and updated again :)

1.Medved - UK
2.green stuff - France
3.Spacemunkie - UK
4.minimaker - Netherlands
5.t_haye2 - UK
6.Orb - UK
7.Trevor - Australia
8.Tuubje - Belgium
9.Itchy - US
10.waxfive - UK (probably within 30mins of tammy if you still live in notts?)
11.Xavier -
 

Trevor

Brushlicker and Freak!
OK, just so you know I\'ve been moving house, and have yet to setup internet at home, so if I\'m out of touch that is why.

I like the fantasy girl with wings, I also like the idea of mechanical wings, kinda cyber punkish.

Maybe if we have enough people we could do both?

As for my contribution, I can handle easy things like pouches, cloaks, rivets, etc, and I added fist emblems to to my carnosaur rider. I\'m no good at proportions and have never done a face. I\'m happy to do some small bits, but I don\'t want to mess this up :)
 

green stuff

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Well I took a longer lunch break then intended, but here\'s quick sketch (based on Medved\'s idea) that should start again the debate :

CyberAngelSketch001.jpg


If someone has time to clean up the concept or try different poses, it would be cool (I\'m going to see \"The Incredibles\" with some friends tonight so I won\'t have much time). Her right arm is a robotic one and I haven\'t drawn any harness for the wings (could be attached directly to her in the pure cyberpunk tradition) but it would be interesting to explore that possiblity.
 

green stuff

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Message original : minimaker
Origineel geplaatst door TrevorMaybe if we have enough people we could do both?
Sounds like a good idea to me. We could check how many others are interested in such a project.
If there aren\'t enough to do two projects simultaneously, we could always do one after the other or split up our current list.
 

waxfive

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hehehehe what about something like team A vs team B with a public vote at the end?

we would need another participant though
 

green stuff

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Message original : waxfive
hehehehe what about something like team A vs team B with a public vote at the end?

we would need another participant though
Hum, could be a lot of fun ;). But I think we should first do one mini so that we can get the hang of it. Painting chain minis are already difficult to get an even level, I\'m assuming it\'s harder when it comes to sculpting.

Do take note, I like your idea waxfive, and I\'m already thinking of 2 or 3 people that could be contacted to fill up the two teams ;). I\'m just wondering what is the easiest to do. If we\'re planning on having the mini cast, then it would be cheaper if we were 11 on the same mini (I\'m assuming that if we were doing your contest idea, the team to come out second would want to have it\'s mini casted too).

Anybody else have a different opinion?
 

Itchy

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Well... coming into this i was wondering how we\'d get everyone on the same page. Looks like multiple minis would be the way to go, that way you can choose a team to work on the mini that interests you. Hey, how about after we\'re done we send one into the painting circle and get even more people into this; a mini that had 20+ people work on it!:flip:
 
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