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dogfacedboy uk1
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SkelettetS
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actually im not sad! more frustrated. but after talking a lot to mr Picca aka picster who was part of the judge there, i dont know why anybody sign up for golden demon, really. they dont judge kreativity, overall impression or skill. they judge mistakes and lows on the miniatures, sort of an elemination competition. thats why something not that good but solid, can win over something badass but for some reason have a flaw or anything the jury dont like. in short- paint small, low detailed miniatures on boring bases that dont leave much room for flaws!
still make me choke to see the winning stuff in my categories. lol!
still make me choke to see the winning stuff in my categories. lol!
VeristicalBlaze
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What an idiotic way to 'judge' something that can be considered art. Who says something is a mistake or a an error in execution? Maybe it was intended? Did Dali accidentally paint a melting clock?(maybe a bad example, but you get the point).
I think the only way to judge or criticize our passion is to compare creativity, artistic value and technical execution(when relevant, like with your Contemptor, the horizon differentiating between the different parts of the mini was a technical thing) of certain techniques between the two(or more) subjects.
I think the only way to judge or criticize our passion is to compare creativity, artistic value and technical execution(when relevant, like with your Contemptor, the horizon differentiating between the different parts of the mini was a technical thing) of certain techniques between the two(or more) subjects.
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Thebladesmith@hotmail.com
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Starving artist everywhere agree with you, but if youwant to sell your art you have to conform some times. If you want your picturein White dwarf (for whatever reason) then you better expect to be put therebecause your art sells minis because that’s what GW does.
Skelettet I always enjoy your wip, it is inspiring.
Skelettet I always enjoy your wip, it is inspiring.
Well I must say that I was also disappointed when I didn't saw one of your miniatures popping up in the pictures when I was looking at the winners on the massive voodoo blog. But I do want to say that it may be not such an idiotic way to judge miniatures. We are talking here about art and art is subjective, it's not like an exact science like math is. So judging by mistakes may be the most 'fair?' way to judge art. But the fact they didn't take any creativity into account in an art competition is really studpid and the fact that picster said this, that makes me actually sad because it is the opposite of what they are talking about on their blog :/ they should judge by mistakes but keep creativity in mind like this piece has some minor mistakes but it looks way more awesome than this perfect but boring piece.
So yeah, this is my thought about this but keep on painting, you paint amazingly awesome miniatures! Keep it up!
Cileon
So yeah, this is my thought about this but keep on painting, you paint amazingly awesome miniatures! Keep it up!
Cileon
Bailey03
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I agree with you Skel, looking at the pictures of the winners I think your contemptor deserved to be up there. Whether the judges recognized it or not, that was an amazing figure and paint job.
I helped judge at my clubs show last year, but we use the open system so you're judged against a set standard. If a figure deserves a gold medal it gets one, no matter how many we give out. And so on for silver and bronze. I found doing that was tough enough, I wouldn't want to have to determine an absolute 1st, 2nd, and 3rd from the field. A friend of mine is running a competition similar to how they do Crystal Brush. They've posted their judging criteria. They divide it up into objective and subjective criteria, and then subdivide those into technical and artistic for objective and creative and impact for subjective.
I've never seen any sort of guidelines about Golden Demon judging criteria, just word of mouth from people who've entered. Maybe they have something posted somewhere but, if not, I think it'd be helpful for GW to state what they're judging is based on.
In the meantime I'm looking forward to seeing your progress on that historical figure. And you might want to keep an eye out for shows like Euro Militaire where the focus is solely on the painting/modeling side of the hobby.
I helped judge at my clubs show last year, but we use the open system so you're judged against a set standard. If a figure deserves a gold medal it gets one, no matter how many we give out. And so on for silver and bronze. I found doing that was tough enough, I wouldn't want to have to determine an absolute 1st, 2nd, and 3rd from the field. A friend of mine is running a competition similar to how they do Crystal Brush. They've posted their judging criteria. They divide it up into objective and subjective criteria, and then subdivide those into technical and artistic for objective and creative and impact for subjective.
| Objective | Technical | Prep and construction: mold lines, flash, gaps, surface mars, paint coverage. Groundwork. Technique: paint control, brush control, blending, object source lighting, freehand, non-metallic metals, weathering, wet/water effects, etc. Difficulty level and/or level of effort. |
| Artistic | Composition: balance, movement, proportion, focus. Unity, color harmony, contrast, variety. | |
| Subjective | Creative | Originality/uniqueness, presentation/basing, story-telling. |
| Impact | Emotional response, mood, theme, "wow factor". |
I've never seen any sort of guidelines about Golden Demon judging criteria, just word of mouth from people who've entered. Maybe they have something posted somewhere but, if not, I think it'd be helpful for GW to state what they're judging is based on.
In the meantime I'm looking forward to seeing your progress on that historical figure. And you might want to keep an eye out for shows like Euro Militaire where the focus is solely on the painting/modeling side of the hobby.
having an open, or undecided, judgement system really suits gw as a company who want to sell their own minis, as they can choose the pieces that suit their purpose well.
i love the open system bailey is talking about, with as many winners as deserve it. that way you can ensure noone who spent an incredible amount of time, skill, planning etc on a piece dont go home without anything just because 3 others did aswell. one thing that bothers me about the 3 spot style is that some categories will have 3 "meh" pieces, while others (like single in gd) will have 7-8 pieces that are absolutely superb!
i, for one, hope new competitions will beat gd as supreme competitions. gd does not deserve being so popular, for several reasons including:
1. only gw minis-_-.
2. ip reasons and lore. they wont approve of anything that doesnt go with the exact lore of their universes, rubbish! also, out of box is apparently awesome?
3. "unfair judging system".
4. judges overlooking loads of minis.
5. no comments on your pieces.
6. gd gets automatical image rights of your minis.
7. gods sake, apocalypse. bigger is better?
8. the events are just too big. 9000 people last ukgd! hanging around that large place for a whole day unable to talk to the nice people you met at the pub last day because you cant find them or even hear them over the crowd is NOT nice.
i´m not a gw hater, but the competition is an abomination. still want my first damn demon tho
i love the open system bailey is talking about, with as many winners as deserve it. that way you can ensure noone who spent an incredible amount of time, skill, planning etc on a piece dont go home without anything just because 3 others did aswell. one thing that bothers me about the 3 spot style is that some categories will have 3 "meh" pieces, while others (like single in gd) will have 7-8 pieces that are absolutely superb!
i, for one, hope new competitions will beat gd as supreme competitions. gd does not deserve being so popular, for several reasons including:
1. only gw minis-_-.
2. ip reasons and lore. they wont approve of anything that doesnt go with the exact lore of their universes, rubbish! also, out of box is apparently awesome?
3. "unfair judging system".
4. judges overlooking loads of minis.
5. no comments on your pieces.
6. gd gets automatical image rights of your minis.
7. gods sake, apocalypse. bigger is better?
8. the events are just too big. 9000 people last ukgd! hanging around that large place for a whole day unable to talk to the nice people you met at the pub last day because you cant find them or even hear them over the crowd is NOT nice.
i´m not a gw hater, but the competition is an abomination. still want my first damn demon tho
SkelettetS
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honestly, its not raffas fault. i also said thats not the way he what to look at minis. bluebot was an experiment but it will never get a demon, to far off gw style. and raffa gave me some critz it should take me million hours to make it perfect, then i rather start over and enter some airbrushed chipped weathered stuff. [exit bitter mode] it way not a big event this time, about 800. guess half of them was painters! what i heard they are going to run a golden demon next year, although not connected to games day (witch is being axed?)
funny though! i will probably go next year again. not to germany though. heard they going to run a french one next year, think i hit that one. lousy competition, nice people...
anyway, Euromilitaire in a month or so! yeeeeeeez!
started to work the banner but heck this take time, the goal to make this to euro is too ambitious i guess.
funny though! i will probably go next year again. not to germany though. heard they going to run a french one next year, think i hit that one. lousy competition, nice people...
anyway, Euromilitaire in a month or so! yeeeeeeez!
started to work the banner but heck this take time, the goal to make this to euro is too ambitious i guess.
Bailey03
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The banner is looking really awesome. It's going to be a mini masterpiece when you're finished.
Ha, yeah, probably a better fit with the historical figure. Though I suppose you could make some sort of statement by pairing it with Imperial Guard, Space Marines, or Chaos.
Ha, yeah, probably a better fit with the historical figure. Though I suppose you could make some sort of statement by pairing it with Imperial Guard, Space Marines, or Chaos.
Willdorling
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Nice ;-) I am viewing from a far. Waiting to get into new house before I can paint but loving your work bro. Will
ozymandias
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Skel, I'm late to the party on the GD Germany stuff (for once I've actually been painting rather than skulking on the forums). Its disappointing from what you have said of the feedback from the judges. As others have pointed out, sometimes the considerations of the judges do not necessarily fit with what most of us on CMON are thinking. I can point to a number of miniatures that placed at GD over the last few years that only rate an 8 on CMON whilst other entries in the same category are rating 9+. So this is happening year on year. Its frustrating, I know. I honestly can't believe that the horrors would not place at another GD elsewhere in the world. If the criticism is the scorcerer, may be painting a herald instead will improve your chances. I just started on the one that goes with the chariot kit and it is absolutely fabulous.
Keep up the good work. I'm sure I'm not the only one to have been inspired by your work.
Oz.
PS The banner on the bishop lookos freaking awesome. Although the impressionist bit at the bottom isn't my cup of tea ;-)
Keep up the good work. I'm sure I'm not the only one to have been inspired by your work.
Oz.
PS The banner on the bishop lookos freaking awesome. Although the impressionist bit at the bottom isn't my cup of tea ;-)
ozymandias
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My one other thought is with regard to the dred. I know that the SENMM was REALLY hard work. However, I can kind of understand why it didn't place. Not because technically it isn't great (it is), but it is a technique that is not everyone's cup of tea. I am a real fan of NMM but SENMM rarely does it for me.
OK enough waffle. Best of luck with whatever competition is next.
OK enough waffle. Best of luck with whatever competition is next.
