i think i may of been a bit more dismissive of brand than i meant to be, the point i was really trying to make was that satisfactory results can be gained with almost any of the paints, and when starting out the importance of brand i think is less, unless your your a real natural its going to take a while just to get the hang of the very basics, (something a certain someone didnt manage after decades) i think the advantages of certain brands comes into its own once you start to get the hang blending and proper uses of washes and glazes, when i started i dont think my results would have been better with vallejo than they were with gw