Some questions about painting to the high quality painters...

Baldur

New member
Hi all,
I\'m a beginner miniature painter, that is why I ask the Top Gun painters who know everything from A to Z about painting. The questions may seem to be trivial or idiot, but don\'t forget that I\'m a beginner. Painting minis is totally different than painting a Pz I or a Toldi I. Minis need more accuracy.

1. Which style?
How should I paint? NMM or with paints containing small metal bits? Both sure look good and metallic. But which looks more realistic when you look at them standing side-by-side?

2.How to paint?
After I prepare the mini. How should I prime? Black under dark base colour, white under light colour? Or with grey what I usually use?

3. How should I highlight, drybrush, or shade? How and when? Which parts? How much should I darken or lighten the colours?
When to use blending?

4. Why to thin the paint? How to do that? Will it help to smooth the surface of the paint on the mini? When to use ink and wash? Why is that good?

Well these are my questions about mini painting. I hope they will not frustrate anyone.lol
 

Gilvan Blight

New member
I am no where near a pro painter, but for answers to most of your questions and many more, browse through the Articles section of CMON.

http://www.coolminiornot.com/article

Quick answers:

1) that is a matter of personal preferance and much debated here on CMON.

2) another matter of personal prefeance and also much debated, though not as much as Metal vs NMM

3) general concensus is Drybrushing is bad, other then that there are many techniques and again people will debate which is best.

4) Most paint from the pot is too thick. It will obscure the details of your mini. As well when highlighting you need a thin coat that shows the layers underneath through. There is a lot more to it then this, but that is some of the general idea. I suggest looking at the articles.
 
M

Marmoset

Guest
Originally posted by Baldur
Hi all,
I\'m a beginner miniature painter, that is why I ask the Top Gun painters who know everything from A to Z about painting. The questions may seem to be trivial or idiot, but don\'t forget that I\'m a beginner. Painting minis is totally different than painting a Pz I or a Toldi I. Minis need more accuracy.

Welcome to CMON :D

1. Which style?
How should I paint? NMM or with paints containing small metal bits? Both sure look good and metallic. But which looks more realistic when you look at them standing side-by-side?

As Gilvan said, personal preference. But as you are a beginner painter, I would certainly not try NMM at this stage. I\'m still crp at it after three years, but my metallics look fine!

2.How to paint?
After I prepare the mini. How should I prime? Black under dark base colour, white under light colour? Or with grey what I usually use?

Again, there is some debate on this... but the general consensus is that grey is best

3. How should I highlight, drybrush, or shade? How and when? Which parts? How much should I darken or lighten the colours?
When to use blending?

Most people would recommend starting with a basecoat, and using thin layers of paint to build up the highlighting.... there is too much different opinion and myriad techniques for this, so I\'d recommend a look at the articles section!

4. Why to thin the paint? How to do that? Will it help to smooth the surface of the paint on the mini? When to use ink and wash? Why is that good?

Thinning your paint makes sure that the detail does not get swamped, the paint will not go chalky... it\'s just better! lol Many people would recommend adding mediums, such as floor cleaner or washing-up liquid, to help the paint settle... but I would recommend plain water for the time being. As your painting evolves, you will come to find which styles and techniquues suit you best. Inks are good because they settle better, like mediums... hard to explain, but basically they won\'t leave tidemarks like paint. Test it out and see what you think:)

Well these are my questions about mini painting. I hope they will not frustrate anyone.lol

Good luck, hope I helped!

Happy painting

~Bill
 

generulpoleaxe

New member
on the most part, it\'s down to trial and error.
with the help of the articles section, asking questions and the wip (work in progress) thread you will soon improve.

as for base coating, different colours will affect the tone of the paints placed over them. i personaly use black or white, depending on how much flesh is showing.

try thinning your paints with an equal amount of water to start with and remember to drag the brush across a towel or dry part of your pallette before painting the mini. (this will take the excess paint out of the bristles.)

hope this helps.
 

Recoil889

New member
Thinning...
the reason i thin is because acrlic paints are heavy...they tend to build up..or sit ontop of eachother and get real thick...look at an imposto painting...
With thinning you could put 50 coats on and still have great detail while with not thinning you can probably only put arround 5-6 good coats on before detail gets obscured.



Priming..prep.
Personally i first clean off ALL the mold lines..then green stuff any gaps or areas that got fubar in casting...then wash in soap and warm water..i 99% of the time prime in black. The only time i do white is if im doing red or yellow..which isnt very often. But the primer aspect is really a personal prefrence...your gunna have to look at what you have and paint it with a blakc under coat...if you dont like it(and its metal) then get some pinesol and warmwater (4:1) and let the mini soak for about an hour.Clean it with a toothbrush throughly..rinse it in warm water and let it sit for antoehr hour...repeat then clean the left over(wont be much) with a razorblade...then you can prime white and have a go at it again...

BUT MOST OF ALL

Expirement...try things out...and dont let others views shape your personal style or prefrences to anything man. see what you like...see what you dont...and go from there...remember baby steps...rome wasn\'t built in a day..


Good luck.
Now back to me baby stepping...
 

Dark Seraphim

New member
Originally posted by Baldur
Hi all,
I\'m a beginner miniature painter, that is why I ask the Top Gun painters who know everything from A to Z about painting. The questions may seem to be trivial or idiot, but don\'t forget that I\'m a beginner. Painting minis is totally different than painting a Pz I or a Toldi I. Minis need more accuracy.

1. Which style?
How should I paint? NMM or with paints containing small metal bits? Both sure look good and metallic. But which looks more realistic when you look at them standing side-by-side?
Personal opinions matter here really, I paint Metalics, because I simply think it looks better. Some of the REALLY good NMM\'s look great, but it\'s hard. As for realism, I think Metalics look more realistic if painted right than NMM


2.How to paint?
After I prepare the mini. How should I prime? Black under dark base colour, white under light colour? Or with grey what I usually use?
Black if your gonna paint dark colours, white for light colours. Grey I\'ve never heard of, but I guess it can be used as a mid way (half dark, half bright)


3. How should I highlight, drybrush, or shade? How and when? Which parts? How much should I darken or lighten the colours?
When to use blending?

Don\'t drybrush if you can get around it... it\'s a really easy way to paint but it shows. It\'s a dodgy question, cos you want people to explain how to paint ... and to tell you the truth, it differs from mini to mini, but basicaly, crevaces are darker high places are brighter. Be easier to see something you have painted and comment on that :)


4. Why to thin the paint? How to do that? Will it help to smooth the surface of the paint on the mini? When to use ink and wash? Why is that good?

Thinning the paint is to make transitions more smooth, thinning too much will make the paint cover details, so practice with that. But basicaly you always want your paint to be nice and smooth. Ink\'s and Washes are used when shading, instead of painting the dark areas, you can darken them with an ink or wash, matter of opinion as well :D


Well these are my questions about mini painting. I hope they will not frustrate anyone.lol
In asking we learn, so keep asking! And do post when you post your first mini, and I\'ll gladly comment and give pointers!
 

Modderrhu

New member
At the risk of repeating what others have already said:
Originally posted by Baldur
Hi all,
I\'m a beginner miniature painter, that is why I ask the Top Gun painters who know everything from A to Z about painting. The questions may seem to be trivial or idiot, but don\'t forget that I\'m a beginner. Painting minis is totally different than painting a Pz I or a Toldi I. Minis need more accuracy.
An A to Z of mini painting is quite beyond the scope of a forum post, or even a whole thread. The best suggestion I could give, is to go and get a book on it. GW\'s How to Paint Citadel Miniatures is a good jump start for beginner painters. And some intermediate stuff too, though I think that the \'intermediate\' level has advanced somewhat.
Originally posted by Baldur
1. Which style?
How should I paint? NMM or with paints containing small metal bits? Both sure look good and metallic. But which looks more realistic when you look at them standing side-by-side?
As has been said - personal preference. However, until you are confident with blending, don\'t try NMM. It requires super-smooth transitions, and is still an advanced technique. Get to grips with the basics of blending before trying it out. Heck, some people even consider blending itself as advanced.
Originally posted by Baldur
2.How to paint?
After I prepare the mini. How should I prime? Black under dark base colour, white under light colour? Or with grey what I usually use?
Personal preference. I go for white, then wash the mini with black. That makes a grey mini, dark grey to black in the crevices, and light grey elsewhere. Black is a pain to try and cover with some colours, noticably red and yellow. White doesn\'t automatically fill in the shadows for you. Try both, they both have their advantages, and both will make you wish you\'d chosen the other option. :)
Originally posted by Baldur
3. How should I highlight, drybrush, or shade? How and when? Which parts? How much should I darken or lighten the colours?
When to use blending?
Experience will tell you how to shade. At first, just consider crevices and raised areas. Then consider a single source of light from above the mini. Also, look at the world around you, look for shadows, look for highlights on real objects. This can take a bit of effort to really notice, because our brains automatically compensate for us.

It\'s been said that drybrushing should be avoided. Well yes, mostly yes. Consider it a transition/beginner step, one that must be taken. But abandon it as soon as you feel confident with layering, and subsequently, blending. Drybrushing is good for terrain and highly textured surfaces. It\'s a good and useful technique, but has a bad reputation because it is inappropriately used. However, even within drybrushing, there are a number of different techniques.
Originally posted by Baldur
4. Why to thin the paint? How to do that? Will it help to smooth the surface of the paint on the mini? When to use ink and wash? Why is that good?
Not thinning paint makes the layer of paint on the mini so thick, that the paint, and not just the colour, is visible on the mini. It obscures details, and generally makes a paint job shoddy. How to thin it? Mix with water. Start by mixing it 1:1 with water, then, as your skill increases, you can thin as much as 10:1. Thinning paint also gives it a transparency, which is used when doing blending.

Washing with ink (or paint) is a technique like drybrushing. Not to be incorrectly used. It\'s good for toning down over-bright areas, for shading chainmail, but isn\'t for general-purpose shading. It\'s used to stain metals, and a whole host of other things. It can be used for general shading, but always remember to paint over it with a midtone again.


A while ago, Hoblit raised a question about how one would approach skill progression, what techniques should be learnt before moving onto others. The answers were really good, and will give you an idea of where to start, and how to progress. The thread is >>here<<

The main thing that\'s already been said: experiment! Don\'t be afraid to try and change the behaviour of your paint, or to try something out, even if no-one else does it. Makes up your own rules within the guidelines that most other people use. For me, I have the most fun when experimenting.
 

Medved

New member
@baldur: break your post up into many posts because you have far too many questions in one go. then we can all help you out more effectively.

could we have a picture of something you have done, and something you would like to paint like?
 

Kendaric

New member
Original Message: Baldur
2.How to paint?
After I prepare the mini. How should I prime? Black under dark base colour, white under light colour? Or with grey what I usually use?

3. How should I highlight, drybrush, or shade? How and when? Which parts? How much should I darken or lighten the colours?
When to use blending?

4. Why to thin the paint? How to do that? Will it help to smooth the surface of the paint on the mini? When to use ink and wash? Why is that good?

For all these question, that\'s pretty good...

It really has every basic, and advanced point you need to know. (It\'s of course not true when they tell you you absolutely need Vallejo acrylics to do your best... :))

And to answer question 1, well, all has been said. Paint whichever you find best. I can\'t bear to paint NMM, however I really enjoy painting my metallics. But that doesn\'t mean I don\'t like a mini painted in NMM when it\'s well done.

Good luck, don\'t forget to post your minis there !
 

EricJ

Active member
people covered most of this pretty well, however, for priming, I sort of developed my own technique. I tried black for a long time, when white for a long time, and it is very obvious that there is a big difference as to how the mini will turn out depending on this base coat. When you use white, the mini tends to be a lot brighter, areas look a lot cleaner, while starting with black, you tend to get a lot more muted colors.

Well, I decided one day that I could use combinations of this on the same mini, contrasting skin to armor for example. (skin primed white, armor black to get them to really pop next to one another)

So as a result I now ALWAYS start with white primer, then I will go back over the areas that I want black with brush on black. A bit odd, but I like the results.
 
newbee

Off subject a little but for those who don\'t know what FUBAR means it is as follows.
F=F!@#$% U= up B=beyond A= all R=recognition. lol DD
 

GreenOne

I paint my thumb.
As an almost-newb maybe I can give you a good insight:

The tutorial linked by kandaric is the best I know, firstly

- You should try metal at first and see if you like it, I think NMM is a bit tricky and you have other things to think about for the moment.

- Primer is a matter of preference, I prefer white, imo. I\'ll always basecoat black before doing metal parts.

- Highlight and shade everywhere there is level,as far as possible, exegerating the contrasts a bit is something much apreciated
by most fantastic and SF fans. Get a hang of feathering/layering as soon as possible, great technique for that..

- Thinning just makes everything easier, imo.
Paint flows better, details are cleaner and surface is smoother. Try it, you\'ll like it.
Most effects, like layering for instance, really don\'t work well with opaque layers.
It\'s all a matter of ratio, start at 1/1 and work from there. Basecoat consistency should be around that, I do layers at 1/5 and glazes at 1/12, but that\'s just me.
Water works well for me, but all those stuffs must have their uses.

-Drybrushing is great at the beginning, but it won\'t be long before it brings down the overall looks of your mini. Other techniques can be used in conjunction with drybrushing for much better results, on fur and hairs for instance.

-Washes are an easy way to shade, don\'t get into the trap of flooding the surfaces ( Dipping as some say, I think.). Glazes give great effects and depth to tones, but it might take a while before you have the eye to decide \" Hey, this would need a purple glaze.\"

Hope this helps, and especially does not mislead you. Last tip, keep hanging on CMON, post WIP and pay attention to the comments.

Wish you great enjoyment in your painting:D
 
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