Some specific rules questions for GW Golden Demon competition

IGK9

New member
First off, I've read everything I can find on the basic rules for the GD competition, but there are some things I'd like to pick your brains on that I couldn't find in said rules. As I've read how the rules can vary from country to country, my questions pertain to submissions in the US and Canada only.

My questions are specific to entry into the category of 40k Vehicle and are as follows:

1. I've read vehicles that don't normally come with bases (e.g. tanks) have a lot more flexability as to how the artist may chose to base the vehicle. Others, walkers for example, that come with a base seem a bit more limited. I've seen how this rule can be bent by building terrain up off of the base and out, specifically in single minature and duel entries. I've done some image searches for 40k vehicle GD winners and some perusing on the GD winner site and have not found any entries that use this method. If I wanted to make an entry for the 40k vehicle, would it be considered a rules violation if I increased my base area, beyond the diameter of the issued base, using that method? (It's important to note, I'm looking for only a slight increase in base area, not anything unreasonable).

2. I've considered the purpose of the 40k Vehicle entry category is to focus on the vehicle itself. That being said, I thought about adding other minatures doing things around the vehicle to support the overall picture of the vehicle and what's happening in the total model. Can other minatures be used in the vehicle entry category as part of the "terrain" or surrounding environment in this way or would it be ejected from the vehicle category and be considered a diorama?

3. Along the same lines of the previous question, can models be added to the vehicle that weren't part of the original kit. I know bits can be added in this way, but what if I wanted, say, a bunch of troops to be riding on the vehicle that weren't part of the original kit? Would this be acceptable?

4. Conversion being an imoprtant part of making a model interesting, I wanted to change out an element of the model with that from another 40k vehicle. This switch would make the vehicle unfieldable in the game under the current rules. Past versions have been equipped in this way, but only in outdated rules on a discontinued version of the same model. Would this type of conversion disqualify the entry?

5. Paint schemes. The codexes can be very specific as to the colors and patterns used for the vehicle paint schemes. I've read it's important during the competition to keep to the "ethos" of the unit which you are painting. The offerings from the codex on paint schemes (camoflauge in particular) are pretty limiting. Would a model with basic paint scheme, following the examples in the codex, be scored higher than much more interesting patterns, found nowhere in the literature?

I do need answers as I plan my entry so I can move on to acquiring parts and beginning the build. I understand that with some of these questions there may be no hard and fast answers, but I appreciate any responses from experienced entrants to the GD competition.

Thank you.
 

MAXXxxx

Well-known member
1. most likely won't be a violation
2. pass (should be allowed to enter, but extra figures not taken into consideration, just the vehicle itself. But you never know. GD's weren't really consistent with this in the past)
3. yes
4. no (but can lead to not judged favorably as GW likes their rules promoted with the GD entries)
5. if done right, yes. But again there were some weird decisions in the past from GW's side

That said, there is one extra thing you might consider: since 2014 there are no GoldenDemon competitions with the exception of the UK one (if they keep it this year, altough they probably will).
Luckily there are lots of other model-shows where you can enter and basically build and paint whatever you like (so no problem with base size, no problem with extra figures, no problem with invalid gaming configurations, no problems with unique paint schemes)
 

IGK9

New member
That said, there is one extra thing you might consider: since 2014 there are no GoldenDemon competitions with the exception of the UK one (if they keep it this year, altough they probably will).
Luckily there are lots of other model-shows where you can enter and basically build and paint whatever you like (so no problem with base size, no problem with extra figures, no problem with invalid gaming configurations, no problems with unique paint schemes)

This is great information and I'm surprised I didn't come accross it before. I don't see myself flying to the UK to compete, but you never know. Interesting that there seems to be quite a bit of ambiguity on how the minis are judged at these competitions.
 

Dragonsreach

Super Moderator
Staff member
This is great information and I'm surprised I didn't come accross it before. I don't see myself flying to the UK to compete, but you never know. Interesting that there seems to be quite a bit of ambiguity on how the minis are judged at these competitions.
There is and always has been a massive level of variance between the judging, varying between, "Yeah That's Good" through to "WTF?"

I've seen figures included in vehicle categories which have not been crew and have got awarded trophies, ie wrecked machines and just bystanders. Sometimes it's a Crapshoot!
 

nels0nmac

Member


On the whole MAXX has probably got it spot on althoughmaybe a bit more clarification on point 2. I previous GDs I believevehicles without a base as standard can have one made for them that is around amaximum of 25mm larger than the model, so not a huge scope to have extra detail/ story going on around the model. To my mind it would be ok to have extramodels that are directly interacting with the vehicle i.e. embarking /disembarking, being run over/squashed under foot. That kind of thing. To have otherfigures around the vehicle doing anything else would suggest more of a diorama –setting up a scene rather than the focus being on the vehicle itself.



That said as DR mentions – the judging can be a bitcurious sometimes and the odd curveball has got in from time to time.
 

IGK9

New member
I've seen figures included in vehicle categories which have not been crew and have got awarded trophies, ie wrecked machines and just bystanders. Sometimes it's a Crapshoot!

This is one thing I'm most curious about. Where creativity can bend and warp the rules for you. I imagine that might be a hard pill to swallow for someone who strictly adhered to take 2nd or 3rd behind a WTF judgement on a rule-bender. It makes you wonder whether to make the safe play or shoot the moon.

The more I think about point 2, the more it makes sense, especially with what MAXX and nels had to say. Once there's stuff going on away from the vehicle, you crawl into the diorama realm.
 

Dragonsreach

Super Moderator
Staff member
This is one thing I'm most curious about. Where creativity can bend and warp the rules for you.

Well the best example of creativity I can give you is David Soper (Sprocket) who created the Original Nurgle Predator way back in the 80's. At the time ground breaking!

Now he's just a Full on Painting legend.........The Git
Nah he's a great guy.
 

Bailey03

Well-known member
Well, as MAXXxxx has mentioned, it doesn't seem like there will be any more Golden Demon competitions in the US/Canada. So, unless you're planning to fly to the UK to compete, I wouldn't spend a lot of time trying to make a piece that follows GW's GD rules.

I'm assuming you live in the US or Canada. If so, there are a lot of other (non-GW) painting competitions you could go to instead. Later this month will be the Crystal Brush competition at Adepticon (associated with Cool Mini). In May there's Reapercon in TX and KublaCon in SF, CA. In July there's the Bay Area Open in San Jose, CA and CaptainCon in MA. At the end of July and into August is GenCon in Indianapolis. And, next February, keep an eye out for the Las Vegas Open. There are quite a few more, but that gives you some idea of what is out there. I believe all of them are open to figures from any manufacturer, so the GW stuff should be eligible but you can do whatever figures you like. Check out their websites for specific rules.
 
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