Stalingrad?!

Larre

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ok... so I\'m working on a project in school, I\'m writing an essay about stalingrad during WWII.
so if there is anything you think could be good to know or might impress teacher it woulld be great if you dig deep into your heads and search your knoledge about stalingrad ;D

regards

// Larre
 

skeeve

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What exactly do you have in mind? The defense of Stalingrad was discussed so much in all possible sources both Russian and German (and the rest could safely be ignored since they are selectively compiling either Russian or German sources) that it is hard to point in single direction. Check Wikipedia and http://www.stalingrad.net/
they have decent review then come back with more specific questions :)
 

Micha

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I assume the topic of your essay is going to be the battle of stalingrad. If so, those might be the important facts you should include:
>the forces involved (army groups, armys, corps´)
>the importance of stalingrad for the sovjet war economy and the reason for the german´s attack on it
>the most important commanders involved on both sides
>the course of battle and the reson for its desatrous outcome for the wehrmacht
>the overall influece of the battle´s result on the course of the war
>the modern perception of the battle and its role in the different countries (russia, germany, US/britain)

Hope this helps
Micha
 

Undave

Flockwit
About the only thing I remember about it is that there was so little food that people had to resort to eating wallpaper paste
 

Thunderhawker

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Originally posted by Undave
About the only thing I remember about it is that there was so little food that people had to resort to eating wallpaper paste

What does that have to do with lack of food? I have some in the cupboard right now, its great on a cracker!
 

Larre

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haha, thanks... that wallpaper paste musn\'t taste very good...
thansk micha! that\'s very helpful indeed!
greatly apreciated! :D

// Larre
 

Sand Rat

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You could also look at the sniper duel between the Russians and the Germans - I know it was covered somewhat poorly by the movie \"Enemy at the Gates\" but there is a lot of interesting material out there about it.
 

Swordwind

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Never, ever refer to Stalingrad as a seige. That is my main point. Supplies of men and equipment were constantly crossing the Volga from the Soviet held eastern shore to the small pocket of resistance arround the docks.
Leningrad however was completely surrounded by Axis troops resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths from starvation and disease.

Dont forget to mention the symbolic importance of Stalingrad, in addition its strategic and logistical importance.
 

Larre

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yeah, this seems like it can become a both fun and intresting article to write! :D

very intresting with the sniper aspekt... I read somewhere that the most \"succesful\" sniperman shot over 500 kills! that\'s like.. loads!

yeah, the symbolical status of stalingrad is also covered! :D

thanks for the great help guys! :D

// Larre
 

Farin

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@larre

since i talked so much about that topic in school, here my advices:

- point out that the town was - from an objective, millitary point of view - rather unimportant, sure there was an Production facillity (\"red mill\") but nothing crucial. But the town was a huge symbol, due to its name and a victory would have been important for the moral and the propaganda on both sides.
- write about how the propaganda (especially the one of the nazis) coped with the win/defeat and used it.

i woudn`t write too much about that sniper issue, more about tje general situation, that tip swordwind gave you is really good

good luck
 

Swordwind

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Yeah, contrary to what Enemy at the Gates would have us believe, though Snipers played a huge role in the battle, the fate of the war wasnt determined by Vasily Zaitsev and the fictional Major Konig taking potshots at each other. Touch on them but dont go too much into detail. Instead mention the grain elevator, the tractor factory, Pavlov\'s house and the sewer fighting.

For reference material check out Stalingrad (Antony Beevor), the book of Enemy at the Gates (William Craig) and Ivans War (Catherine Merridale). Theres also a shed load of Osprey books on the Eastern Front which should give a ton of info on equipment, tactics and major events of the battle.
 

skeeve

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Originally posted by Farin
- point out that the town was - from an objective, millitary point of view - rather unimportant, sure there was an Production facillity (\"red mill\") but nothing crucial. But the town was a huge symbol, due to its name and a victory would have been important for the moral and the propaganda on both sides.

good luck

This is incorrect, but what else would you expect from propaganda :) While propaganda value of the city name is undeniable it was much more important for Hitler, who, by several accounts was obsessed with whole idea of taking \"STALIN\"grad then for Stalin and Russians who had more important problems to worry about. If you look at the map of Russia with the front line on say August 1942 you would notice that Volga that remained the only major way of transportation from North to South. Rail roads to the Est of the river were inadequate (Map is here http://history.sandiego.edu/cdr2/WW2Pics/81735.jpg)

So, blocking the river, let alone crossing it would result in cutting the major north-south transportation line creating logistical nightmare of biblical proportions. Volga in this area is 2-3km wide waterway taking it back again would be a military nightmare.

In addition to this one must remember that airplanes during WWII had a range. Airfields near Stalingrad would allow for unimpeded strikes even those meager and inadequate railways that were available to the east of Volga. Again, just to remind you, Southern root was vital for the delivery of western aid and war materiel from Iran and Oil from Caucasian fields.

While rewriting history is commendable task, the Geography is rather hard to argue against and at this point of the war it was rather more important
 

DaN

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Also mention the German\'s bad supply line and Hitler\'s spiralling grip on reality as he descended further and fuhrer ;) into an Elvis-like drug dependancy as his physicians pumped him full of uppers and downers whilst he tried to make important strategic decisions that should have left to his generals who were too afraid to challenge him.
 
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