Starship Troopers 3 ...DDDDOOOONNNTTTT !!!
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Gilvan Blight
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That got my mind a wondering. Was there every a movie adaptation every created that was actually better then the original book?
Nothing immediately comes to mind, but I can\'t help but think there must have been at least one case where the silver screen was better then the paper page.
EDIT: I seem to remember my wife thinking Jurasic Park was better on Screen, then the book. I never bothered reading the book myself so I wouldn\'t know myself.
Nothing immediately comes to mind, but I can\'t help but think there must have been at least one case where the silver screen was better then the paper page.
EDIT: I seem to remember my wife thinking Jurasic Park was better on Screen, then the book. I never bothered reading the book myself so I wouldn\'t know myself.
airhead
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SST1, 90 minutes of character development, only to find out none of the stars have any character. 
ossessed:
SST2, what mind thought that up?? I don\'t recall anything similar in the novel? Nothing at all to do with SST universe, but they probably made money on it. I was hoping for skinies or power armor or orbital insertion with drop pods or something; instead I got sandstrom and poor lighting to cover lack of budget.
SST3, expectations set to \"low\".
ossessed:SST2, what mind thought that up?? I don\'t recall anything similar in the novel? Nothing at all to do with SST universe, but they probably made money on it. I was hoping for skinies or power armor or orbital insertion with drop pods or something; instead I got sandstrom and poor lighting to cover lack of budget.
SST3, expectations set to \"low\".
green stuff
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I\'ll probably get flamed for this but, how about The Lord of the Rings by Peter Jackson?
OK it didn\'t follow the book to the letter, but I think they made a pretty good effort and at least CGI was there to accompany the story, not replace it
.[edit]And to be honnest, there are passages in those books that are way too long. At least the movies went to the point
.[/edit]I always thought THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER was a much better film than the book. The story was tighter and more tense. The book may be more realistic and \'technically\' accurate, but I much prefer the movie.
Jurrassic Park is another good example, actually lots of Crichton\'s books have made better films.
Einion
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If we accept that this is true it\'s still no excuse
Die Hard is a good example that there are exceptions.
See ^
Because the book is so old and sensibilities have changed beyond recognition Last Of The Mohicans (Michael Mann version) is an easy case to make for being better than the book, although the comparison isn\'t fair perhaps.
Congo, being made more in the era it was actually written to be, is in a number of ways better than the book. Crichton\'s books aren\'t known for being strong on character development anyway so with good casting and a decent director behind the lens it\'s not too difficult to make something that will appeal to a wider audience.
The Natural could be argued to be a little more satisfying than the book, because it\'s necessarily simpler and more hero-driven (less ambiguous, more of a fairytale).
And with the mention of a fairytale it of course brings to mind The Princess Bride - not your run-of-the-mill, ho-hum fairytale - which is deservedly a much-loved film and frankly a bit of a dull read.
There are some others but I can\'t think of them at the moment.
Einion
AlienGod3 - Thank GOODNESS somebody else recognizes the same actress in both movies! Every time I mention it, people go \"really?\".
\'Course, that could be because they don\'t WANT to recall SST2.
I like most everything I watch, but that was pretty horrible. I\'ve been shying away from SST3 for that reason. I may rent it occasionally. Unfortunately, I purchased number 2 -a big, steaming pile of number 2- before knowing what crap it was.
I really liked number one. Campy.
\'Course, that could be because they don\'t WANT to recall SST2.
I like most everything I watch, but that was pretty horrible. I\'ve been shying away from SST3 for that reason. I may rent it occasionally. Unfortunately, I purchased number 2 -a big, steaming pile of number 2- before knowing what crap it was.
I really liked number one. Campy.
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Originally posted by Einion
If we accept that this is true it\'s still no excuse
It is in the sense that you can\'t compare apples with oranges.
No excuse for making a crap movie in its own right mind.
Einion
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Yeah, that\'s what I meant. Even if a movie\'s not as good as the book it can still be good, even if in a different way.Originally posted by Spacemunkie
Originally posted by Einion
If we accept that this is true it\'s still no excuse
It is in the sense that you can\'t compare apples with oranges.
No excuse for making a crap movie in its own right mind.
Einion
ScottRadom
Shogun of Saskatchewan
Okay Citizens...
I _LOVED_ ST#3! It made me laugh a whole pile. Now I am not saying I enjoyed it on a \"Citizen Kane\" level or appreciated the acting/story/action/effects/soundtrack but come on, how can you not love a movie that declares \"Good news Citizens, scientists have discovered that a) There is a God and b) He\'s on our side!\" !
Just gold, pure comedy gold!
There are a long list of movies that I reccomend to watch with buddies while on beer. This is near the top of them.
But if we\'re talking about horrible movies with the assy emoticon in them I go for my least favorite movie of all time \"I am Legend\" love the book, hate, hate, hate the movie.
How are those crazy zombie things a threat? Just go live on the aircraft carrier and close the bulkead door! They CAN\'T hurt you! Any gamer could not only live in the \"I am Legend\" setting but apart from the horrible loneliness probably have a WAY better standard of home living.
Anyway citizens, I vote you crack a case of Molson Canadian then fire on the old Blu-Ray and get ready to enjoy the wonderfullness of Starship Troopers 3: Marauder!
Why do they have to be naked to control the suits? Cause of Science!
I _LOVED_ ST#3! It made me laugh a whole pile. Now I am not saying I enjoyed it on a \"Citizen Kane\" level or appreciated the acting/story/action/effects/soundtrack but come on, how can you not love a movie that declares \"Good news Citizens, scientists have discovered that a) There is a God and b) He\'s on our side!\" !
Just gold, pure comedy gold!
There are a long list of movies that I reccomend to watch with buddies while on beer. This is near the top of them.
But if we\'re talking about horrible movies with the assy emoticon in them I go for my least favorite movie of all time \"I am Legend\" love the book, hate, hate, hate the movie.
How are those crazy zombie things a threat? Just go live on the aircraft carrier and close the bulkead door! They CAN\'T hurt you! Any gamer could not only live in the \"I am Legend\" setting but apart from the horrible loneliness probably have a WAY better standard of home living.
Anyway citizens, I vote you crack a case of Molson Canadian then fire on the old Blu-Ray and get ready to enjoy the wonderfullness of Starship Troopers 3: Marauder!
Why do they have to be naked to control the suits? Cause of Science!
Aliengod3
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I plan on buying part 3 just to complete my collection but I am not going to pay $20 for the DVD or $30 for the blue ray. No no, I am going to wait until some unhappy shmoe brings it to the local Gamestop and says, \"This movie sucks, gimme store credit for it\". That way I can buy it used for dirt cheap, since no one will want to buy it, and get 10% off the dirt cheap used price for having a Gamestop card. Brilliant! :idea:
Sauce Devil
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I hated the original movie with a passion, I still consider it to be one of the nastiest pieces of puritanical neo-nazi B.S ever made.
A lot of people argue that it was \"satirical\" but think again: after the movie came a CGI animated series for kids.
A lot of people argue that it was \"satirical\" but think again: after the movie came a CGI animated series for kids.
ScottRadom
Shogun of Saskatchewan
No way, it\'s def. satirical. Verhoeven lived through the Nazi occupation I believe. He is not a hitlerite.
I don\'t know that the show was aimed at kids. I haven\'t seen it and I am not that familiar with it but was it aimed at teens and older?
Einion
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You need to give Paul Verhoeven more credit. Like his stuff or no he speaks well about what his films and he\'s pretty eloquent on this one. You\'ll still think it\'s rubbish of course, but not neo-Nazi rubbish.
The series and the film have so little relation I don\'t think you can use the fact that there was a series to criticise the movie
Einion
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If you end up cheering for the MI and humanity by the end of the movie, I think you missed the point.....
\"Children of Men\" was a much better movie than the book! The novel had it\'s moments, but the snail\'s pace was brutal. The movie picked up and ran without stopping til the end.
Both versions are good, and worth reading/watching, but I\'m going to side with the movie.
I liked the SST movie! I know it\'s crap, but I had fun with it anyway. I haven\'t seen the sequels, but part of me wants to, just to see what the hub-bub\'s about.
I like the SST book. Didn\'t Heinlein get himself into trouble over it\'s \'fascist\' contenet? I could be wrong, I know I\'ve heard someone say that somewhere, sometime...
\"The word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley\'s broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else... almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’.\" – George Orwell
There were some that declared SST as a fascist state, however if you look at the book you soon come to realize that it was a Representative Democracy based on Meritocracy. In fact, Heinlein credits the idea to Switzerland\'s government.
There are some that accuse it of being militaristic, this is a bit silly, since it stated in the book that anyone could serve in the Terran federation, anyone. They would find something for you. The book merely took place from the point of view from someone on the military side.
There are even those that call the book racist or even nationalist, which is pure drivel as in the boot camp scene Sergeant Zim specifically stated that many of the recruits, including himself, did not speak english when first joining up. There are specific background references to those of Finnish, Turkish, German, Latino, Indian, Arab, Spanish, Argentinian, and Japanese ethnicity, a fact that points to nationality not mattering. In the last pages, if you pay attention, it mentions that Rico\'s native tongue is Tagalog implying that the main character is actually Filipino.
The movie, however, did pull a more fascist angle, but Verhoeven himself admits to not finishing the book, which in itself is a sad thing.
No Such Agency
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Well, being able to poop over the side would mitigate lack of functional plumbing which IMO would be a major drawback in a post-apocalyptic setting lol
I haven\'t seen the movie but if you have you might be interested in the alternate ending which can be found in the DVD extras and on YouTube (where I saw it). Apparently it kicks the pants off the ending that appeared in theatres.
