Starship Troopers 3 ...DDDDOOOONNNTTTT !!!

[ScottRadom]

Originally posted by No Such Agency

Originally posted by ScottRadom
But if we\'re talking about horrible movies with the assy emoticon in them I go for my least favorite movie of all time \"I am Legend\" love the book, hate, hate, hate the movie.

How are those crazy zombie things a threat? Just go live on the aircraft carrier and close the bulkead door! They CAN\'T hurt you! Any gamer could not only live in the \"I am Legend\" setting but apart from the horrible loneliness probably have a WAY better standard of home living.

Well, being able to poop over the side would mitigate lack of functional plumbing which IMO would be a major drawback in a post-apocalyptic setting lol

I haven\'t seen the movie but if you have you might be interested in the alternate ending which can be found in the DVD extras and on YouTube (where I saw it). Apparently it kicks the pants off the ending that appeared in theatres.

I hate the movie so MUCH I did buy the extendo DvD version (Take that Will Smith!)....

The new ending does make the movie more tolerable. Like finding out a serial killer was only killing seniors who had full lives vs. little kids. It still sucks a ton though.

I still hate it. Every day he goes down to the dock to hope someone finds his crappy little dock. Why not go live at the Statue of Liberty, people might be able to find that. Plus, the zombie things probably will not get you there.

Sorry, just really, really hate that movie. Sadly I feel Starship troopers Three succeeds on every level they were trying for, and I am Legend just kicks my nuts around and stabs my brain. I do not blame Will Smith, he probably did everything he was asked to do. I think that movie even made enough money they are trying for a prequel. I just hope they remember to put Jar-Jar in I am Legend II: Legend Harder or whatever useless monicer they put on that soon to be piece of crap.

So, to sum, ST3 me likey. IaL me no Likey.

 

[hestan101]

OK, here goes. i only vaguely remeber the first film, and i only sae half of, it had some crap about bigplsama blowing up beunous ares or something. and they attacked the bugs home planet, got raped by the bugs and one news reporter guy got eaten(lollollollollollol). then they atcked some desert planet and found a brain bug that was \"afarid\" and there was some random phsycic in it. and they had nukes on their guns. was the point that your suposed to feel sorry for the bugs...tyranid forbears...cough.. or something/ what happed in the other 2????
i klnow that made me sound a real dumbass, but there ya go

 

[Sauce Devil]

Originally posted by Spacemunkie

Originally posted by Sauce Devil
...puritanical neo-nazi B.S...

If you end up cheering for the MI and humanity by the end of the movie, I think you missed the point.....

Which 99.9999% of people did. The marines are really the bad guys in the movie - some might call that satire - but the story itself is a \"moral tale\" of how the pacifists deserve to die (the attack on Earth) and why the members of the military are the only ones who deserve to live because they fight the \"enemy\".

Honestly, if it was designed as a satire how many Americans would have seen it as such? It was a Hollywood action movie after all. Most teenagers watching that movie would have come away with a sense of the righteousness of fascism.

 

[ScottRadom]

Originally posted by Sauce Devil

Originally posted by Spacemunkie

Originally posted by Sauce Devil
...puritanical neo-nazi B.S...

If you end up cheering for the MI and humanity by the end of the movie, I think you missed the point.....

Which 99.9999% of people did. The marines are really the bad guys in the movie - some might call that satire - but the story itself is a \"moral tale\" of how the pacifists deserve to die (the attack on Earth) and why the members of the military are the only ones who deserve to live because they fight the \"enemy\".

Honestly, if it was designed as a satire how many Americans would have seen it as such? It was a Hollywood action movie after all. Most teenagers watching that movie would have come away with a sense of the righteousness of fascism.

Ah horse hockey! If you and I are smart enough to get the satire I think it unfair to assume \"joe plumber\" in the States is too dumb to get it.

It was a fun movie, had sex, bugs and rock n\' roll, and people weren\'t leaving the movie to go form street militia\'s or anything.

I think you\'re underestimating the states, and the movie going crowd in general. It wan\'t even succesful enough to get a big screen sequel so it didn\'t really get to play to the hordes of potential goose-steppers anyway.

quoting Sgt. Hulka from Stripes:

\"Lighten up, Francis.\"

 

[Legacy Account]

Originally posted by Sauce Devil

....99.9999%....

Aaaah!

It\'s a little known fact, but that\'s the EXACT amount of statistics that are entirely made up on the spot

 

[Sauce Devil]

Originally posted by ScottRadom

Ah horse hockey! If you and I are smart enough to get the satire I think it unfair to assume \"joe plumber\" in the States is too dumb to get it.

It was a fun movie, had sex, bugs and rock n\' roll, and people weren\'t leaving the movie to go form street militia\'s or anything.

I think you\'re underestimating the states, and the movie going crowd in general. It wan\'t even succesful enough to get a big screen sequel so it didn\'t really get to play to the hordes of potential goose-steppers anyway.

quoting Sgt. Hulka from Stripes:

\"Lighten up, Francis.\"

Didn\'t Oliver Stone also claim that his movie JFK was just tongue-in-cheek artistic license? People have died because of that pile of nonsense and at least half the people I know believe that there is some truth in the conspiracy theories and they believe it as a direct result of watching that pack of lies of a movie.

Paul Verhoeven is a smart guy and he must be fully aware of the consequences of deliberately sowing confusion or misleading people.

I\'ve mentioned Starship Troopers to one or two people in the past and they thought it was a satire in the sense that it was funny but none of them could understand what I meant when I said the \"Bugs\" were the good guys (like the American Indians) and the human society depicted in the movie was a Fascist State.

 

[ScottRadom]

People Have died because of JFK? Really.....? The movie has killed people? Explain please.

Also the one or two people you mentioned Starship Troopers to and they didn\'t get it, are they now \"fascists\"? Do they support the goals and ideals satirized in the film? Have they now set about changing their own lives to pattern themselves after the MI?

Just Askin\'.

 

[Sauce Devil]

Originally posted by ScottRadom
People Have died because of JFK? Really.....? The movie has killed people? Explain please.

Also the one or two people you mentioned Starship Troopers to and they didn\'t get it, are they now \"fascists\"? Do they support the goals and ideals satirized in the film? Have they now set about changing their own lives to pattern themselves after the MI?

Just Askin\'.

There are a lot of conspiracy theory nuts out there and although most of them are just harmless fantasists there are also people who take it to the extreme and build home-made bombs and carry guns to \"defend\" against the Government.

Oliver Stone knew exactly what reaction the JFK movie would provoke.

\"The Deer Hunter\" is another good example. How many people believe that the North Vietnamese army kept American POW\'s in little bamboo cages? It was a total fiction invented in a Hollywood movie.


Those people I talked to about Starship Troopers, I can\'t say if the movie turned them into fascists because as far as I know they had a \"drop a bomb on the lot of \'em\" attitude to World-affairs before the subject ever came up.

 

[ScottRadom]

If you\'re saying Oliver Stone didn\'t have the right to make a movie like JFK due to what he should have expected the outcome to be then I think you\'re trying to limit his freedoms as a citizen, artist, and free thinking member of a free society.

And if you\'re trying to limit his freedoms then doesn\'t that make you a bit of a, you know.....

Anyway I can\'t agree with you less about this thing. Oliver Stone just made a movie that represents his feelings on a matter EVERYONE his age has a strong opinion about. He\'s not promoting the types of behaviour I think you\'re worried about.

Starship Troopers was fine for what it was meant to be. Nobody has shot anyone and blamed it on Oliver Stone or Paul Verhoeven. Society is no worse for these movies being watched by the masses. I am also pretty sure both these individuals are very liberal minded and anti-war as can be, so I think these assumptions might be really misplaced.

And besides, bugs do suck and they totally had it coming!

 

[Sauce Devil]

Oliver Stone had the right to make any movie he wanted, I\'ve got no problem with that but he deliberately engineered the movie to create a new wave of paranoia. It was an incredibly pernicious (that word just popped into my head) thing to do and he is responsible for the monster he created.

 

[ScottRadom]

What monster? Who\'s paranoid? What did I miss? What do you mean?

I really, really, really don\'t get this. Are you telling me that the same Olly who wrote the original draft for Conan: The Barbarian is the same guy who has inspired a new wave of paranoia? And that he engineered this on purpose? What is going on here?

 

[Sauce Devil]

Seriously, Oliver Stone got into trouble (not for the first or last time) back in the early 90\'s over investigations into whether the movie was slanderous.

The movie was presented as a dramatization of factual events when in reality it was a pastiche of old crackpot conspiracy theories.

If the JFK movie hadn\'t been made those conspiracy theories would have faded away and been forgotten but he resurrected them and tried - successfully- to make tens of millions of people believe they were true.

Now there are gun-nuts running around all over America trying to \"resist\" the Government by shooting innocent people.

The 9/11 conspiracy theories haven\'t improved the situation either.

 

[ScottRadom]

Well I just plain \'ole disagree with you on about every level here.

Oliver Stone was investigated. Big Deal. Was he every found to be committing a crime? Steve Jackson (The prolific and talented game designer) was apparently harrased by the FBI and had his office searched and he was investigated for subversive activities too. Getting investigated doesn\'t make you guilty.

I think in your next point you hit on something I think that is becoming more of an issue today (I think of Micheal Moore, Al Gore) when people make films that are a combination of entertainment and documentary. I don\'t accuse Oliver Stone of making a movie that attempts to be a documentary and think it was aimed at purely being entertainment but I do agree that the line may have been blurred for many. Taking a historical situation of such infamy and presenting it as entertainment always get\'s the people involved in the spotlight (Passion of the Christ, Schindlers List, Star Wars: The Phantom Menace etc.) but I feel often that is a derivative of the media selling their own product and less the fault or irresponsible actions of the filmakers themselves. I still place the responsibility on the backs of the people watching the films to seperate the movie they just paid someone to watch from reality in situations that may be blurry (Like JFK).

A quick side note from my youth.... When I was a kid the crappy Jeff Bridges version of King Kong was on TV and I watched it, I saw the lines \"Based on a True Story\" at the begining of the movie. When I went to school and told the class that King Kong was a true story they laughed their 2nd grade asses off at me! Seems My folks were watching some other movie and decided really quick while I was having a pee or something that they would flip over to King King. Point being even the youngest developing minds have the power within them to point at someone and yell \"Just \'cause it said so on TV doesn\'t make it true\". You never forget that when you learn it for the first time standing in front of your class getting laughed and pointed at by your friends AND your teacher.

I also don\'t hold Olly Stone in an inferior light for digging out what may be old crackpot theories. It\'s his choice to make what movies he likes, and our choice to not watch them. I don\'t really like any of his movies, but I hate Platoon maybe a little less then the rest.

As for the gun nuts... Haven\'t there always been gun nuts running arounf the States? Won\'t there always be? It\'s custom built into their constitution that they\'re allowed to bear arms to defend themselves and preserve their way of life (I\'m Canadian, so forgive my errors)? I think it unfair to blame any single media/entertainment source for this. If someone is willing to do something horrible it would seem likely to be that it stems from a WAY deeper problem then watching JFK or it\'s ilk. Although the Joe Pesci as a wierd old gay guy did make me all trigger happy....

I think that if ANY noteworthy filmaker puts out a film set in a historical setting someone, somewhere will yell \"That\'s not how it went down!\" no matter how apparent it is that the film is NOT trying to represent a fact based account of the subject matter (I think of \"300\" and the attention it recieved for calling persians bad guys).

So no, I really x infinity don\'t feel Paul Verhoeven comes anywhere CLOSE to making a film in Starship Troopers that could be held responsible for advancing a fascist movement in the US or anywhere. \"Showgirls\" on the other hand...

 

[Evil Dave]

Originally posted by Sauce Devil
Now there are gun-nuts running around all over America trying to \"resist\" the Government by shooting innocent people.

Realllllllly now?
The Weather Underground existed before the movie. They planned on executing 45 million people if necessary.

Honestly, dude, this is the \'Truth\" so listen carefully for it will serve you throughout your life.
No one can make anyone do something they do not want to do. Even if they hold a gun to your head, you can choose to die.
Oh, we like to blame our actions on others, but the simple truth is we are sentient, intelligent creatures with the ability to make choices.
Those idiots \"running around shooting innocents\" were not forced to by society, television, movies, video games, whatever.
Unless completely mentally unhinged, they made a clear conscious choice.

The Victim Mentality is a disorder that needs to end quickly, for in truth, the only thing you are a victim of is the choices you make.

 

[airhead]

Amen to Evil Dave.

Ted Kennedy\'s car is still more dangerous than Dick Cheney\'s shotgun. And I\'d much rather go hunting with Dick than for a car ride with Ted.

As to people shooting up innocents, they generally are doing that in the name of robbery, followed by drug turf, followed way back by nut jobs that invade schools because they are full of defensles people.

But we\'ve done this thread. Back to SST.

Books were very interesting. I loved the talking bombs. Drop one in a theater, etc. \"I am a 30 second bomb. 29..28..27..\" Watch the canage ensue from the crowd. More damage than the bomb could do.

As to if SST1 was promoting facism, it was such a poor movie that it couldn\'t promote itself, let alone a political viewpoint.

 

[ScottRadom]

Whoah, hey, Books? I thought there was just the one?

I want to know more.....

 

[Dragonsreach]

The Whole \"Endorcing Fascism\" thing is bollocks.
Heilien himself in an interview stated that in the book the intent of making the Citizens having \"served\" was to make people (in reality) aware that they are responsible for the government they get and equally the government is responsible for the citizens they get.

His point of view has a lot of merit, and if you read more of his work (especially \"Time Enough for Love\" and the notebooks of Lazasus Long) you\'ll find that he has exponded a fair bit of what I consider reasonable philosophy on personal and government responsibilities.

 

[vincenti]

WWWWWOOOOOWWWW!

I just popped back to check on my original thread and couldnt believe the route its taken !!!!
ISNT THE INTERNET WONDURPHIL !:flip::wow::flip::wow::flip:

\" fasciism, the last refuge for quasi intelligent thugs and men with small ..................................................( egos ??? ) \"

GOD bless ..............V

 

[hestan101]

REPOST

just reposting myold post, as last time it got drowned out out by some random debate about how a movie where guys in hockey armour shoot at giant spiders is the cause of facism
OK, here goes. i only vaguely remeber the first film, and i only sae half of, it had some crap about bigplsama blowing up beunous ares or something. and they attacked the bugs home planet, got raped by the bugs and one news reporter guy got eaten(). then they atcked some desert planet and found a brain bug that was \"afarid\" and there was some random phsycic in it. and they had nukes on their guns. was the point that your suposed to feel sorry for the bugs...tyranid forbears...cough.. or something/ what happed in the other 2?
i klnow that made me sound a real dumbass, but there ya go???
please tell me what happened...

 

[Fizl]

Why dont you watch it again?

Shaz