The Harry Potter book has arrived!!!

supervike

Super Moderator
Originally posted by MarkusTay
I really screwed up when I named this thread (which I have re-named TWICE, to no avail!). I don\'t care what people talk about, but this thread is suffering from extreme multiple-personality disorder. lol

The one thing that bothers me is some people\'s attitude that they are \'children\'s\' books, and that implies a person needs a \'simple\' mind to enjoy them? ???

Why should this thread be any different? lollol

I agree about the prevailing attitude that they are \'children\'s\' books. Too bad really. I guess something only becomes \'adult\' if you put sex in it. It was the same phenomena with \'The Lord of The Rings\'. The books have seemingly always been subjugated to the kids table by \'real literaturists\'. Even with the movie I remember seeing parents with their little children complaining that it was too long and too scary for them...DUH!
 

vincegamer

Active member
Originally posted by MarkusTay
The only thing that bothers me is some people\'s attitude that they are \'children\'s\' books, and that implies a person needs a \'simple\' mind to enjoy them? ???
I stopped following this thread and just jumped back in. I wanted to add to this what C.S. Lewis said about children\'s books - only I don\'t exactly remember so I will try to paraphrase:

A good children\'s book is one that entertains a child and educates an adult.

Gah. That\'s not it really. If anyone has the DVD of the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe BBC miniseries, please look on the back of the box.
 

MarkusTay

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I love tL,tW.&tW! Great series!

C.S.Lewis was the second fantasy author I ever read. The first of course being J.R.R.Tolkien\'s The Hobbit, followed closely by The Lord of the Rings when I was 11. The third was Ursula Le Guin\'s Earth Sea trilogy. I think I had a pretty decent start there. :D

Up to page 341 of Potter, so please don\'t post no spoilers here. ;)

I took the day off to finish it, I\'m so bad! I told my wife my Arthritis was bothering me (which isn\'t actually a lie because it always bothers me). If she knew I just stayed home to read the book she\'d break my legs. lol
 

Evil Dave

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Spoiler

Ron and Harry become gay, and run away to form a gay wizards school in San Fransisco.

Hemione and Hagrid finally reveal their love for each other.
 

philologus

Subgenius
C.S. Lewis is the greatest. I read them to my kids over and over. He also wrote great stuff for adults; like the Screwtape Letters.
Incidentally, has anyone seen the trailers for the movie? Looks to be great. I wonder if they\'ll make the whole series?
 

sniffles

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Argh!! Now I\'m going to have to go home and make my fiance beam it to my Visor. We haven\'t even bought the darned book yet - thanks to someone (probably in the UK) who uploaded it to a newsgroup on the 16th, my guy is reading it on his Palm.

Just so you know, we will probably purchase a copy - nothing beats reading a printed book. But it is handy to be able to have the entire series on my PDA.
:D
 

Gin1906

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Sniffles,
I love my ebooks on my palm, where did you get the H.P. Series on ebook? I subscribe to Fictionwise, I don\'t think they have it there.
Thanks
Gin

Edit, I got the book late saturday, 6 hours late I was done. now to wait another couple of years to see how it ends:(
 

sniffles

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Originally posted by Gin1906
Sniffles,
I love my ebooks on my palm, where did you get the H.P. Series on ebook? I subscribe to Fictionwise, I don\'t think they have it there.
Thanks
Gin

Edit, I got the book late saturday, 6 hours late I was done. now to wait another couple of years to see how it ends:(

I have no idea where my fiance got it - he subscribes to a bunch of newsgroups.

I\'m jealous - you\'ve already finished it!!
 

MarkusTay

New member
Originally posted by philologus
C.S. Lewis is the greatest. I read them to my kids over and over. He also wrote great stuff for adults; like the Screwtape Letters.
Incidentally, has anyone seen the trailers for the movie? Looks to be great. I wonder if they\'ll make the whole series?
The Screwtape letters was a great read, and it really made you think. I love C.S.Lewis\'s way of looking at the things from the other side. :D
 

Jambot13

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Originally posted by supervike
I agree about the prevailing attitude that they are \'children\'s\' books. Too bad really. I guess something only becomes \'adult\' if you put sex in it. It was the same phenomena with \'The Lord of The Rings\'. The books have seemingly always been subjugated to the kids table by \'real literaturists\'. Even with the movie I remember seeing parents with their little children complaining that it was too long and too scary for them...DUH!
I actually think that a good book aimed at children is harder to write than one aimed at adults in many ways, so I’m in no way criticising something if I call it a children’s book. There are a whole range of new skills the author must apply, and the mindset and expectations of a younger reader (which are different to those of an adult) must be carefully considered.

Obviously different levels of children’s literature require more or less focus on these things, but there has to be something there that makes it suited to the initial target audience.

Although Potter does very little for me I can see that when it comes down to it there are areas of the story that would appeal to children – Harry finding his escape from his mean family, getting a large degree of independence, finding that he has an amazing and powerful gift despite being made to feel completely useless at the beginning – these are all things that children will no doubt see as inspiring.

The writing and situation that this escapism is played out in doesn’t work for me though. I think that even if I was a child these elements would have put me off, so I find it hard to comprehend the success of Potter, particularly to an older audience.

Something like LoTR is very different for me as I don’t consider it a children’s book. It was not written in a way that is tailored towards children (which I do believe Potter was). It was a way for Tolkien to portray the mythology he had created, and he did so in a way that is rather inaccessible even to adults unless you are willing to put effort into it!

To summarise - there is a huge difference between a book appealing to children and a book that is written to appeal to children, but both can appeal to children and adults. For me Potter, at least the first book which I have read, is written to appeal to children, but is by no means the perfect example of children’s literature, and doesn’t have enough meat to it to appeal to me as an adult. Therefore I\'m not a big fan.
 

philologus

Subgenius
Shawn: I thought the space trilogy was great! Which one did you read? You have to go in order. Start with Out of the Silent Planet. You know Tolkien mentored Lewis.
 

Minigrrrl

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Weeee! Ok, i\'m sad, ran out to get it at 8 in the morning when it came out, hobbled into woolies to buy it nice and cheap,and finished it the next morning... heh. all I can say is.....Argh! And Sqeee! some things that were obvious happened, other things that weren\'t, and Tonks and Lupin? Fanfic writers all over the world giggled with glee..... I liked it, although as usual it takes her ages to get into the story, and all the action happens towards the end, but heho... I don;t want to give it away for anybody, so I\'ll shut up now, although i\'d love to go on in total fangirl way and rant and rave at/about certain characters and that rowling should make her mind up if they\'re evil or not..or just a complete £$^%&$^*
 

vincegamer

Active member
Originally posted by philologus
Shawn: I thought the space trilogy was great! Which one did you read? You have to go in order. Start with Out of the Silent Planet. You know Tolkien mentored Lewis.
I would disagree. Out of the Silent Planet was very good. The others read like he\'d just finished the Gospel of John and five kilos of marajuana at the same time.
 

Kael

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ok, I read the first page and have to comment, (My first CMoN reply lol)
The Pope is just some random plonk who is the figurehead of a religeon based on Baal/Satanism, but with a nice Christian Shell. I really hate it when Catholics go and do stupid stuff, and all this anti-Christian crap comes up. I would rather die than be categorised with Catholics, but would welcome them into TRUE Christianity of course....


on the Harry Potter side...ok, so I read the first 4 books, I still listen to HP news, I go to see the movies, I accept that Witchcraft is a Satanic Ritual...but Harry Potter is a non-religeous peice of fiction, so therefore is not based on satanism, so I dont see what all the fuss is...
 

MarkusTay

New member
Welcome to the forums, Kael!

Never read his Sci/fi stuff, so I can\'t comment on it, but tL,tW.&tW was an allegory too (Aslan\'s sacrifice). I\'m pretty sure everything he wrote had a religious slant to it, but that didn\'t take from the stories at all. If anything, it enhanced and deepened them. Now if you want to read a series thats heavy on the science end but still packs a moral in try the Foundation series (which technically covers almost everything Asimov wrote, since he linked most of the stories toward the end of his career).

Edit: This was supposed to come before Kael\'s post
 
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