Angelos3000
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2 people in england once raped a baby :|~
fow fu**in sick
fow fu**in sick
The World is a Sick, Sick Place
- Thread starter MPJ
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Sadly....I don\'t think any of this stuff is a recent phenomena.
The media seems to relish in reporting this sort of horror. Whether it is because they are also outraged or because it makes good headlines, I don\'t know.
Also, because you are a new parent, you are especially sensitive to this sort of thing. I know I felt almost exactly the same way you are describing when I first became a father. It is things like this that keep me awake at night.
In fact, I had a friend at work, an older lady, who always seemed to want to tell me horrible stories she heard involving chilcren. I finally had to politely ask her to stop. She wasn\'t trying to be shocking or sick in any way, she was just outraged, and wanted to share the story. I on the other had, was content on knowing there are sick bastards out there, but I don\'t need to know the details.
Highbulp Billy
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@Supervike - It\'s true what you say about being a parent making you more sensitive to things. I also find that when you hear about deaths of parents (natural deaths or murders etc) where young children or babies are left behind I take more notice. There was a case recently when a family or couple had been killed and their 8 month old baby was found crawling around the bodies as if trying to wake them. This kind of thing and the high profile abuse of children does make me wonder what kind of a world we live in nowadays. 
But, as you rightly say, this is probably not a modern phenomenon but rather the way that the media focus on it so much now. The question is does this media attention help by raising the issues with a wider audience or does it just lead to universal despair?
But, as you rightly say, this is probably not a modern phenomenon but rather the way that the media focus on it so much now. The question is does this media attention help by raising the issues with a wider audience or does it just lead to universal despair?
Thats a great question, and one the media would absolutely refuse to answer. After all, they are \'just reporting the stories\'...They seem to take no responsibility of the cumulative effect they have on society as a whole.
Personally I just think it leads to more despair....
Torn blue sky
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Universal dispair.
That was in my earlier point. It seems the media circus has turned into a freak show.
Morbid curiosity sells them more papers, gets more ratings , etc...
That was in my earlier point. It seems the media circus has turned into a freak show.
Morbid curiosity sells them more papers, gets more ratings , etc...
funnymouth
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to be fair
i never said we should kill him, just that he deserved a few stabbings with a non-sterile object.
on eugenics: bad idea.
the baby rape thing is sick, and frankly id rather be blissfully ignorant to such things. this thread has disturbed me enough for one day, and its 8:03am....
i never said we should kill him, just that he deserved a few stabbings with a non-sterile object.
on eugenics: bad idea.
the baby rape thing is sick, and frankly id rather be blissfully ignorant to such things. this thread has disturbed me enough for one day, and its 8:03am....
Beelzebrush
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The guy may well have a mental age of an 8 year old child... however, I have a seven year old son who most definitely has a clear enough sense of right-and-wrong, to know that attacking and injuring a baby is very, very wrong. I can\'t see that that is an excuse at all.
People like that need to be taken to a deep, dark, dank place and made to suffer. Be as PC as you like, but being PC is one of the major reasons that adolescents and others don\'t have respect for anything... including life itself :cussing:
The less people like this walking the streets the better in my opinion.
People like that need to be taken to a deep, dark, dank place and made to suffer. Be as PC as you like, but being PC is one of the major reasons that adolescents and others don\'t have respect for anything... including life itself :cussing:
The less people like this walking the streets the better in my opinion.
Beelzebrush
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Let me re-phrase... A LOT of adolescents. etc..
And yes, the lack of discipline and violence in schools and on the streets is a major problem. It\'s very well documented... just put a search into google in case you happen to have been living in a cave for the last 10 years or so.
And yes, the lack of discipline and violence in schools and on the streets is a major problem. It\'s very well documented... just put a search into google in case you happen to have been living in a cave for the last 10 years or so.
vincegamer
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Well, there\'s one problem. You\'ve already set yourself up as judge of what \"deserves\" your respect.
IMO an adult with the mental capacity of an eight year old should know that hurting a baby is wrong. It\'s fundamental. I am concerned about the mother involved, what is her mental capacity and did she know about the abuse that the man was giving the baby? As a parent you must take responsiblity for keeping your children safe, even if it means from others that you know and love. If they were both handicapped individuals, chances are that they were involved with some independant living program for disadvantaged persons. This would leave one to believe that there should have been some sort of social worker or councellor present regularly at such a possibly stressful time. And anybody who\'s a parent or an older sibling knows that the introduction of a new baby to the home can be very stressful. There is always the possibility that they\'ve fallen through the cracks, though. Anyhow, reguardless of how it was allowed to happen in the first place, the man involved should have known that what he was doing was wrong. Was he aware of the reprecussions of his actions? I can\'t say. The judicial system is not concerned about what is fair, but what is just. Is it fair that this man should only spend two years in prison? No, I don\'t think so. Is it just? I haven\'t decided yet.
vincegamer
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so what do you think should happen to the woman who a couple of days ago hit her husband so hard she gave him a concussion - oh, she hit him with her baby
MPJ
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Indeed my reference to rape was directed at another post, not part of the event I was originally describing.
The news did not indicate the mental age of the man, only that he was of \'below average intelligence\' and they qualified that with \'he failed grade 1 and has a grade 11 education\'.
The world is a populous place and I see little wrong with capital punishment, makes me a bit of an oddball in the leftward moving world and in a somewhat left country (Canada) to be sure. Yes, that does mean I advocate capital punishment for such viscious crimes against such a young child, no matter the \'mental age\' of the assailant. Since such extreme punishments are not really viable in today\'s society certainlly better than 2 years could have been done, the prosceuter was pushing for 5 years (I\'m to assume the maximum) but the judge decided for less.
As spazzy said even if the mental age is so low he should indeed know better. My 5 year old boy knows that would be wrong, in fact when he saw the news clip during a commercial break he asked me \"Daddy, why would someone hurt a little baby?\", how on earth do you explain that sort of thing to a young boy (rhetorical question, I did explain it afterall). His response, interestingly enough was \"If someone hurt my baby like that I\'d scream at them.\"
The news did not indicate the mental age of the man, only that he was of \'below average intelligence\' and they qualified that with \'he failed grade 1 and has a grade 11 education\'.
The world is a populous place and I see little wrong with capital punishment, makes me a bit of an oddball in the leftward moving world and in a somewhat left country (Canada) to be sure. Yes, that does mean I advocate capital punishment for such viscious crimes against such a young child, no matter the \'mental age\' of the assailant. Since such extreme punishments are not really viable in today\'s society certainlly better than 2 years could have been done, the prosceuter was pushing for 5 years (I\'m to assume the maximum) but the judge decided for less.
As spazzy said even if the mental age is so low he should indeed know better. My 5 year old boy knows that would be wrong, in fact when he saw the news clip during a commercial break he asked me \"Daddy, why would someone hurt a little baby?\", how on earth do you explain that sort of thing to a young boy (rhetorical question, I did explain it afterall). His response, interestingly enough was \"If someone hurt my baby like that I\'d scream at them.\"
Oh, Vince, that\'s just sickening. I have to admit, it\'s hard to keep your feelings out of these types of discussions. Like a lot of other people, I have a small child (a daughter who will be 4 next month) and also am 5 months pregnant with our second. I can\'t find it in myself to be neutral, not allowing my emotions to play a role in my opinions. If it were all about what I feel is right, I\'d say find a tall tree and a short rope. I just can\'t trust myself to make that type of decision responsibly.
Orb
procrastinator
Well I\'m just glad the crime was commited in a country that doesn\'t have capital punishment. His sentence should have been more, granted.
I can see as a parent the emotions involved but cannot condone killing the assailant. It solves nothing other than making you feel better.
The assaults happened in the assailant\'s parent\'s house, where they all lived.
I can see some poor person in the future having to explain to the child that their daddy isn\'t here because he was executed for attacking them when they were a baby. I\'m sure the child would be saying \"oh good!\" on hearing that news.
I can see as a parent the emotions involved but cannot condone killing the assailant. It solves nothing other than making you feel better.
The assaults happened in the assailant\'s parent\'s house, where they all lived.
I can see some poor person in the future having to explain to the child that their daddy isn\'t here because he was executed for attacking them when they were a baby. I\'m sure the child would be saying \"oh good!\" on hearing that news.
Having the mental capacity of an eight year isn\'t the same as having the emotional maturity of an eight year old, I suppose. My 7 and 5 year old girls would know this was wrong, and then not do it as a result of that knowledge. My two year old... not so sure. He still chucks things at his sisters\' faces just to get a rise out of them.
This fellow may be mentally deficient, but what he lacks is a conscience. Adults with no conscience are dangerous, and their inability to solve calculus problems should not temper their punishment.
MPJ
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On this point I must disagree (not meaning to single you out specifically, but you put it so perfectly). It absolutly eliminates the chance for repeat offending, so it does indeed solve something.
I don\'t really think being a parent has made me more extreme in situations like this. I do not, nor never have really, believed in rehabilitation of criminals for the most part. It is true that otherwise good or normal people can commit dastardly acts, and that is what prison should be for, these people don\'t really have to rehabilitate as for some reason their actions were due to some obscure circumstance. However most criminal acts are not done by these sorts of people or under these circumstances. There are most definatlly bad people in the world and the world doesn\'t need them.
Torn blue sky
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I\'m not a parent so I wouldn\'t (can\'t ) fully undesrtand all the points of view.
I do agree with MPJ on the count that if you remove a threat it\'s nullified. Simple logic on that score.
I do agree with MPJ on the count that if you remove a threat it\'s nullified. Simple logic on that score.
philologus
Subgenius
Agreed.
I\'d rather explain to a child why they can\'t see a parent, rather than why the parent was allowed to put them in a body cast. As a parent it\'s my responsibility to make decisions reguarding my children that they may not like or understand until they are older and more mature.
