The World is a Sick, Sick Place

[Orb]

Oh Well, we\'ll have to disagree on that issue.

The death penalty is wrong, it goes against the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, it solves nothing, IMHO;

I\'m very glad I live in a country that has abolished the death penalty, proud of that fact, proud of the work of those who defend human rights (love my girlfriend, who does just that every day).

 

[treide]

This is an interesting topic.

I was particularly intrigued by the comments by supervike and I think a few others about the media pushing these sorts of horrible things in our faces all the time, and that maybe it is better not to know about them. I\'m not so sure, although I certainly get what they are talking about. My wife and I are hooked on some of the CSI shows and Criminal Minds, and they have in recent weeks been particularly disturbing and gruesome. One might say they have gone too far, but on the other hand I think they are portraying things that happen on a daily basis in the world. Switch your perspective to movies - genocide may be horrifying and difficult to stomach, but I still think that Hotel Rwanda, The Killing Fields, and similar movies should be made to increase awareness of such atrocities in the world. Nevertheless, maybe some people do get desensitized to violence from it, and may therefore be inclined to engage in it. I don\'t know.

Another interesting topic is that of accountability for a crime. Let\'s assume for the sake of argument the man in the original post was truly mentally handicapped. Should he be judged and sentenced without taking that into account? Maybe he should never have been left alone with the baby in the first place - the same reason 5 year olds don\'t get babysitting jobs.

 

[demonherald]

I am only glad that things like this create such reaction ...it is a sign that they are thankfully rare occurrences..What would probably be more saddening would be if this kind of thing didn\'t get highlighted and provoke responses as that would truly be a sad place where this kind of thing was so common so not to be news....

 

[vincegamer]

Originally posted by MPJ

Originally posted by Orb
I can see as a parent the emotions involved but cannot condone killing the assailant. It solves nothing other than making you feel better.

On this point I must disagree (not meaning to single you out specifically, but you put it so perfectly). It absolutly eliminates the chance for repeat offending, so it does indeed solve something.

Though so would life imprisonment.

 

[MPJ]

Originally posted by vincegamer

Originally posted by MPJ

Originally posted by Orb
I can see as a parent the emotions involved but cannot condone killing the assailant. It solves nothing other than making you feel better.

On this point I must disagree (not meaning to single you out specifically, but you put it so perfectly). It absolutly eliminates the chance for repeat offending, so it does indeed solve something.

Though so would life imprisonment.

Yes, but life imprisonment costs a lot more, and the longer people live the more full prisons get. Why bother spending money keeping people like that alive? I\'d be much happier knowing my tax dollars were being spent on things like better education and health care. Also, people escape from prison so it\'s not foolproof (though I suppose it\'s a rare enough occurance that it\'s almost a non-issue).

Universal Declaration of Human Rights = Poop. Human Rights should not be universal as not everyone acts \'human\'.

 

[Orb]

a very valid point.

2 years is shocking.........thats the main thrust of this.

 

[Orb]

Originally posted by MPJ

Originally posted by vincegamer

Originally posted by MPJ

Originally posted by Orb
I can see as a parent the emotions involved but cannot condone killing the assailant. It solves nothing other than making you feel better.

On this point I must disagree (not meaning to single you out specifically, but you put it so perfectly). It absolutly eliminates the chance for repeat offending, so it does indeed solve something.

Though so would life imprisonment.

Yes, but life imprisonment costs a lot more, and the longer people live the more full prisons get. Why bother spending money keeping people like that alive? I\'d be much happier knowing my tax dollars were being spent on things like better education and health care. Also, people escape from prison so it\'s not foolproof (though I suppose it\'s a rare enough occurance that it\'s almost a non-issue).

Universal Declaration of Human Rights = Poop. Human Rights should not be universal as not everyone acts \'human\'.

yeah.......get it wrong though..........kill people who are later proved innocent, and that does happen, and what sort of society are we. I\'d rather not live in that one.

We\'re never going to accept each others views.

If you think the UDHR is poop, then fine. Whether people act human or not, they are human

 

[MPJ]

@Orb Agreeing to disagree is a good idea. I may be a rightwinged arsehole (and it\'s true, I am believe it or not) but one of my better qualities is the ability to fully accept others and their differing points of view.

 

[matty1001]

Originally posted by MPJ
@Orb Agreeing to disagree is a good idea. I may be a rightwinged arsehole (and it\'s true, I am believe it or not) but one of my better qualities is the ability to fully accept others and their differing points of view.

Very reasonable, i like it when a see a person realise thier differences and put an end to things before they spiral into an argument. Respect to you MPJ.

 

[Orb]

Oh and I don\'t get any respect Matty?

after all I was the one who (twice) has been the one to accept differing viewpoints!!!!

only joking

 

[matty1001]

Yea of course you do Rob!
I just hate to see differences in opinion turn into arguments!

 

[Torn blue sky]

Orb your just being an arse, jump on the right wing band wagon! lol

But seriously (yes I can do serious!), Ok were all agreed 2 years is a pitifull sentence, but where is the line? and what exactly would be fitting???