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Bengoodall

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On the story behind the two \"lost\" legions.

I remember seeing a post from someone saying that one of the custodes had to shoot someone in the birthing chamber, but I dont really see them letting someone in there, then blatting off randomly at the emperors life work.

Anyone know any more?
 
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Roger Bunting

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I believe the post you\'re remembering, Ben, was was by Undave. I\'ll have a look to see if I can find it.

EDIT: Found it! It wasn\'t in a thread about number of chapters, it was in one started by me.

http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=24194
 
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Undave

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It was was indeed a post by me :p

I can\'t remember what topic it was in either but try reading the Horus Heresy books. Unless I imagined the whole thing it\'s all in there.







If I did imagine the whole thing maybe I should start writing novels........
 
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Bengoodall

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Yeah, it was, but I couldnt find it at all.

Ive gone through the heresy books, and cant find anything in it, it predates all of that anyway.

The bit that I cant figure out is, if the primarchs were lost, the legions had already been founded, and it would have only have been later that they couldnt find the primarchs, that there would have been a problem.

So then what, break the two legions up and spread them amongst the others?

Unlikely at best.

And I realise I wouldnt make sense fluff wise, but why banish two, and remove all records of them,and yet all the traitor legions are still listed.
 
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Undave

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I\'m pretty sure the passage you\'re looking for is mid-way through False Gods when Horus is put into the Chaos Fane thing and has all the dreams.

If the foetal Primarchs were destroyed in this way there would have been no geneseed to create the Legions with and hence they were never formed

I\'m pretty sure that when the big list of the Chapters was drawn up originally that these ommissions were left as a kind of loophole to allow people to come up with their own ideas or allow later developments from the fluff writers. As far as I know this explanation is the current canon and the two legions never existed.
 
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Bengoodall

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Maybe I should read slowly, if and when I can manage to get my books back.

I leant them to someone in england whos stopped talking to me.:flame:
 
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Undave

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OK I \'ve found my copy of False Gods and after re-reading the relevent passages I was slightly mistaken about it saying that the two Primarchs were definately killed, I may have been reading too much into it. It does imply that this may have had something to do with it though. The injured Horus is placed in the Davinite Fane and he undergoes a vision transporting him to several points in space and time.

At one point in this vision Horus is projected back in time to the Emperors genelabs in the Himalayas a few minutes before the event that scatters the Primarchs into the warp. Whilst having a conversation with someone appearing to him as his friend Sejanus \"He stopped by the tank with XI stencilled upon it and placed his hand against the smooth steel, feeling the untapped glories that might have lain ahead for what grew within, but knowing they would never come to pass.\" Horus obviously knows the fate of his missing Brothers but nothing further is mentioned about them in any of the other novels or fluff books that I know of.

When the warp rift occurs Valdor and some Custodians enter the lab and begin firing upon Horus. The tanks are then sucked into the rift \"one tank spewing gasses and screams as it was ripped from the ground\". It does imply that some of the tanks were damaged in this event but it doesn\'t say for certain whether this is what caused the deaths of the two missing Primarchs.

As for the Sisters of Silence they pretty much ceased to be a viable force in the battle for the Webway portal that the Emperor was working on as the Heresy began. This is the reason that he has no part in the early stages of the Heresy. Apparently his great project was to build a stable device allowing humans to use the webway. The first gate was located inside the Imperial Palace and the idea was that the Emperor would control the whole thing from the Golden Throne. Unfortunately when Magnus used his powers to breach the psychic wards, intending to warn the Emperor about Horus, everything went a bit tits up. With the wards down, rips started to appear in the fabric of the Imperial Conduit and Daemons poured in. The Sisters of Silence and the Custodian Guard were called in to keep the Daemons from escaping and laying waste to Terra and the Emperor was forced to stay on the Throne to tend to the warp portal. When he went to do battle with Horus on his Battle Barge his place was taken by Malcador the Sigilite who presumably had burned himself out by the time the Emperor came back and the Throne was transformed into his life support machine.

Sensei have been obliterated from the current canon. Even Squats and Zoats were given a reason for their disappearance. As far as Sensei are concerned, Like James Earl Jones in Hunt for Red October they didn\'t push that button and they were never there.

That is unless they have a reference in one of the Inquisitor sourcebooks that I haven\'t read yet.

All of the above is of course still pretty open ended and none of it is 100% certain. The thing you need to remember is that it\'s all still make-believe. GW never has to say \"this is what happened to the other Legions and the Sisters\". It\'s a testement to how great a job they\'ve done with the fluff that people can get into such vehement arguments about what is and what isn\'t canon.
 
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