Uhm uhm lack of creativity?

[EArkham]

It\'s a production figure, the original has to stand up to the heat and pressure of a mold. A conversion will not stand up to that as the glues will vaporize, plastic parts will melt, bonds will break.

For a production figure, you need a green.

Eeesh.

Kep

 

[Avelorn]

Well.. listen ebon. Sure parts might be from other miniatures, but it\'s not to save money from GW. Because that\'s just not the way miniatures are thought up. What they first do is to do a concept and that concept will then be excecuted by the sculptors. Some parts might be easier to sculpt from scratch to look like the concept art (like the plumes) While other things (like some weapons) is easier to just take from other miniatures. But depending on what it is.. it might even be easier to sculpt new bits that look like old ones as well. Sculpting doesn\'t necessarly take very long time.

GW (and other producers) often take parts from their new minis from old ones, especially with miniatures like spacemarines that are pretty generic. I\'m also betting that the newer bretonnian \"sorceress on foot\" model is based on the old, and just added details. But again, it depends on the concept.

Some parts of this one might be old, but if that\'s possible also depends if it is a metal or plastic mini. They sculpt the miniatures in 3:1 when it comes to plastic and then reduce them. So then they will not be able to use the banshees masks for example. But they could have made a \"mock up\" concept as they usually do that used those parts for example.

and as kep said.. it got to stand the pressure so it can\'t be an entire convertion (if they don\'t do it in resin)

Hope I\'m making sense

 

[Avicenna]

Originally posted by EbonbuddhaThe plume topic is dead. I said I was wrong about het mini. I don\'t know why that horse is still being beat.

EB, I was responding to a post from you earlier today, so how is that dead? It was also more about the cost vs time of conversion vs resculpt that I was discussing, not that plume as such

Originally posted by EArkham
It\'s a production figure, the original has to stand up to the heat and pressure of a mold. A conversion will not stand up to that as the glues will vaporize, plastic parts will melt, bonds will break.

That is why GW sometimes make resin masters, it solves that problem

 

[EArkham]

Originally posted by Avicenna
That is why GW sometimes make resin masters, it solves that problem

I thought resins were only done for 3-up plastics, rapid prototyping, and for test runs/samples? They still can\'t use a resin in a vulcanized mold to make metal figures... There\'s a WD that explains it all.

I am however far too lazy to look it up.

According to the various forums (Dakkadakka, LibraiumOnline, etc), this figure is definitely a metal one and likely the limited edition from the upcoming boxed army set.

Kep

 

[Dammekkos2]

Originally posted by Ebonbuddha
No one still hasn\'t proven that it isn\'t just a conversion.

Here are the super-exarch wings

Here are the hawk wings

If you genuinely can\'t tell the difference I would point out the gaps between the feathers and the generally different curvature.

Here are the avenger bodies, I\'m not sure which one you think they used, I\'d say none of them.

Banshee head (I assume you mean this one, as it looks nothing like the old ones).

Similar eyes and front grill from what I can tell (a brief glance), the rest is totally different.


As has been pointed out by several people, GW use dollies, this is very different from cut-pasting minis.

The plume topic is dead. I said I was wrong about het mini. I don\'t know why that horse is still being beat.

The last person to mention the plume before you said this was....you. We all dropped the plume bit a while back

And I don\'t believe sculpting takes the same or less effort than conversion. I\'ve converted stuff because it is easy. But I have yet to sculpt something that looked decent.Especially in a short amount of time.

That\'s why you don\'t sculpt stuff for GW

 

[Dammekkos2]

Actually, I see you have said that the body is from a Guardian. I haven\'t time to get Guardian pics atm, please provide pics of the body they used to prove your claim.

 

[lono]

I\'m pretty sure that all of the Autrachs are made so that the parts are interchangeable, so you could take the one here, but give it a Warp Spider jump generator instead of the wings, or put the weapons on another Autrarch etc. This is bound to impede the freedom of the sculpt a little in order to make pieces fit universally.

Oh, and it\'s not a conversion.

 

[farseerlum]

but it is ugly.


what eldar ever wore a cape? :|~
cloak maybe but no eldar would ever been seen dead in a cape.

 

[DrEvilmonki]

Originally posted by farseerlum
cloak maybe but no eldar would ever been seen dead in a cape.

Last one I was talking to said the same thing!

 

[Ebonbuddha]

Yes. It is a conversion.You can simply see that it is. Who says they counldn\'t just simplay snip pieces of the wing off? Is there a law that saw you can only convert certain parts of a miniature.

Who said that I was talking about the new plastic models? maybe I am looking at old models seeing the pieces.

And since the guy explained the part about eh brushes your comment with a wink is moot.

Originally posted by Dammekkos2

Originally posted by Ebonbuddha
No one still hasn\'t proven that it isn\'t just a conversion.

Here are the super-exarch wings

Here are the hawk wings

If you genuinely can\'t tell the difference I would point out the gaps between the feathers and the generally different curvature.

Here are the avenger bodies, I\'m not sure which one you think they used, I\'d say none of them.

Banshee head (I assume you mean this one, as it looks nothing like the old ones).

Similar eyes and front grill from what I can tell (a brief glance), the rest is totally different.


As has been pointed out by several people, GW use dollies, this is very different from cut-pasting minis.

The plume topic is dead. I said I was wrong about het mini. I don\'t know why that horse is still being beat.

The last person to mention the plume before you said this was....you. We all dropped the plume bit a while back

And I don\'t believe sculpting takes the same or less effort than conversion. I\'ve converted stuff because it is easy. But I have yet to sculpt something that looked decent.Especially in a short amount of time.

That\'s why you don\'t sculpt stuff for GW

 

[Ebonbuddha]

The Dire Avenger Phoenix Lord has a cape.

Originally posted by farseerlum
but it is ugly.


what eldar ever wore a cape? :|~
cloak maybe but no eldar would ever been seen dead in a cape.

 

[philologus]

I don\'t care if it\'s a conversion. I think it\'s kind of static. I\'ve been doing some Eldar commission work recently and have gotten to like the little bananaheads. I think that banshee autarch rocks! Very dynamic. Althuogh I won\'t be collecting Eldar I think I will get her just for fun.

Oh and I still like you EB

 

[Avicenna]

Originally posted by Ebonbuddha
Yes. It is a conversion.You can simply see that it is. Who says they counldn\'t just simplay snip pieces of the wing off? Is there a law that saw you can only convert certain parts of a miniature.

Who said that I was talking about the new plastic models? maybe I am looking at old models seeing the pieces.

And since the guy explained the part about eh brushes your comment with a wink is moot.

EB is one of those people who I would really be interested in his tone of voice and how he means to come across

Is he a git or just very dry?

:beer:

 

[Orb]

Originally posted by Ebonbuddha
Yes. It is a conversion.You can simply see that it is. Who says they counldn\'t just simplay snip pieces of the wing off?

As much as I can see your point, I still can\'t see it as a conversion. As much as you want someone to prove it\'s not a conversion, you really have as much difficulty to prove it IS, other than to say it looks like parts A, B and C and they cut bits off part B.

I guess when it\'s released and someone can be arsed to get the old bits and new bits and photograph them together, this discussion can go on forever.....

 

[Ebonbuddha]

Ok. I am bored now. I have to admit I was so trolling. I don\'t give a rats ass how this damn thing is made. I wanted to see how long you would continue to try and prove me wrong and I wanted to see how long you would spend defending something you didn\'t like.I mean the whole thread was started talking about the lack of creativity at GW. lol

And by the way. I still think it is converted.

 

[Orb]

:moon:



\"you wouldn\'t let it lie............\"

maybe they sculpted everything from scratch.......and then converted those pieces!!!!???

 

[penguin]

Another of the several differences between the wings is that the inside layer of feathers have different outer edges.

 

[Dammekkos2]

Originally posted by Ebonbuddha
Ok. I am bored now. I have to admit I was so trolling. I don\'t give a rats ass how this damn thing is made. I wanted to see how long you would continue to try and prove me wrong and I wanted to see how long you would spend defending something you didn\'t like.

Perhaps you need to find something more constructive to spend your time on.

 

[BanJo]

It is just pricless seeing a bunch of
grumpy old guys arguing about a mm high miniature This is the part of the hobby I love the most!


lol


Torstein