UK GD tickets

[Capt spalding]

agreed, at paris it was 30 Euro\'s and you got the figure for free.

It\'s not too late to ban full sculpts from gd05 yet, the rules aren\'t out in full until UKWD 307, unless you know something that we dont jambot

I did note that in the wd305 preliminary write-up the word conversion was there but not scratch-built.

They are supposed to be judging the painting anyway so i dont see why a scratch build can\'t be entered.

o.k. it\'s about citadel miniatures at the end of the day , but if a person outside G.W. can sculpt better than some of the people working in the studio then perhaps it\'s time to get rid of a few of them rather than peanalising those that have taken the extra time to learn how to sculpt.

A seperate category for scratch builds would be fine, but we all know that will never happen

 

[Jambot13]

Well I coulda sworn the rules were up on the web for this year, but certainly can\'t find them now. Perhaps it was all just a dream... but why the hell would I be dreaming about Golden Daemon rules? Scary!

I agree, Golden Daemon is a painting competition, but it\'s also a major showcase for painted GW miniatures. Looking at the winners of the single categories for French GD as an example - it certainly was a spectacular showcase of sculpting, and indeed painting, but I just had this little niggle inside of me that it wasn’t a showcase of their skills at painting GW\'s miniatures.

It’s difficult to word this so that it makes sense, but using a full sculpt almost seems like a way of giving yourself the upper hand, because you can tailor it to suit your style and skills, whereas painting up an existing miniature and getting the best out of it is really more of a challenge from a painting point of view.

I’ve seen enough other work from the winners to know that they are all damned good painters, and I’d really like it if Golden Daemon meant I could see them paint up some truly inspirational Games Workshop miniatures themselves, not go out and make their own because they feel they can achieve better.

For me the Valten paintmaster winner was by far my favourite entry at French GD because it showed, with no conversion whatsoever, just how good a GW miniature can look and how much work I’ve got to do to try and match that ridiculous standard. I’d like to feel inspired that way by other categories too. I also want to see and be inspired by full sculpts, and think that there could be categories created that encourage and showcase them to cover the expanding interest, but I couldn’t say if that’s on the horizon.

I also agree that the very top quality full scuplts we see here at CMON and at Golden Daemon are above the average standard that GW produces, but you\'ve got to expect that with the deadlines and creative and casting constraints GW sculptors have put upon them. This doesn\'t mean there aren\'t fantastic, stand out GW sculpts avaliable though.

There are also many miniatures produced by GW that are just as good as anything else in the world as far as I’m concerned (and I think they are getting better too. The new Wood Elves are pretty much all awesome and I despise Elves in general, so impressing me is a real achievement!) but nobody can maintain that standard all of the time (can they?).

Then again, I also think that GW staff only being allowed to enter the Open Category isn’t right either. For me only current and former GW sculptors and ‘Eavy Metal painters should be restricted, and I’m not even sure they should. In all honesty I think that the standard outside of GW is high enough that the staff would be hard pressed to place in any category, so it’s slightly annoying that it’s restricted. Staff only categories (like the US run) don’t seem like that fair an alternative, because you end up with miniatures that would struggle to make the final cut in a standard category winning trophies.

Well that’s my opinion anyway, sorry for the ramble!

 

[freakinacage]

i think i\'ll buy a ticket. not sure if i\'ll go. want to enter the daemons if only for the experience (there is no way i\'ll get a prize!)

 

[Medved]

slightly off topic but...........has anybody seen where the large scale model category has gone? on the web site and in the WD they bang on about 11 categories (not including open and young blood) but i can only find 10.

i shall enter this year for fun and probably with an unconverted model, i have a project that i\'d like to realize for the competition and if i pull it off i shall be proud. but i say for the \"sprint\" events like fantasy single and 40k single, i say let them allow everything. i think the uk competition is mostly about adhering to the GW image or giving them a product that they can use to promote their games systems.

 

[Dragonsreach]

The large scale category has been dropped. There is speculation (& rumour) that the amount of Forgeworld items being sold is alledgedly irritating the mainstream retailers hence this action.

You\'ll also notice that the entry of \"Artifacts\" based on GW Intellectual Property is now no longer permitted. So no more self sculpted weapons etc...

What I did like to see was the Paintmaster category at the French Gamesday. That is a simple way of showing the best talent in painting and not in the conversion of a figure. (Says he who\'s planning a couple of conversion for his entries) .

As to Jambot13\'s point.

Then again, I also think that GW staff only being allowed to enter the Open Category isn’t right either. For me only current and former GW sculptors and ‘Eavy Metal painters should be restricted, and I’m not even sure they should. In all honesty I think that the standard outside of GW is high enough that the staff would be hard pressed to place in any category, so it’s slightly annoying that it’s restricted. Staff only categories (like the US run) don’t seem like that fair an alternative, because you end up with miniatures that would struggle to make the final cut in a standard category winning trophies

I have to disagree, I believe that there should be a GW Staff competition in two categories each judged by the other group. One for Retail store staff and one for Studio based staff. (This only works for the UK though). Please allow though that there are stories of a past Slayer Sword winner \"Pimping\" his work in the studio as he had a clause in his GW employment contract to allow him to enter any category not just the Open. So you can understand that there is a grassroots feeling that the Open category needs to remain the only category in which staff can enter until a Staff comp is created.

 

[Capt spalding]

@ jambot: Yes but it was a good ramble, you raised several fair points.

I think that perhaps if GD was a competition based upon the best representation of the warhammer mythos instead of a showcase for G.W. and a good sorce of painted figures to bulk the pages of white dwarf then scratch builds would have a future. I dont think that they do though

It\'s G.W.\'s competition so it\'s only fair that G.W. product is used, but I do feel that if scratch builds are banned completly, that you will lose some of the ingenuity and progression of top level entries.

I also agree that the very top quality full scuplts we see here at CMON and at Golden Daemon are above the average standard that GW produces, but you\'ve got to expect that with the deadlines and creative and casting constraints GW sculptors have put upon them.

with casting constraints I totally agree, not so sure about the deadlines aspect, but that comes from knowing several of the chaps in the studio on a personal level.

I totally agree on the open competition ideas, as long as you dont include freelancers in with that group

anyway back on topic, erm..... tickets.......

how many times have you been in the golden demon line and got in without being asked for a ticket?

three for me, although for one of them I actually didn\'t have my ticket, it was at home in the kitchen :flip:

 

[Capt spalding]

Please allow though that there are stories of a past Slayer Sword winner \"Pimping\" his work in the studio as he had a clause in his GW employment contract to allow him to enter any category not just the Open.

awwww you have to name name\'s now

 

[Albert Moreto Font]

Ok. a friend of mine sent an email to GW headquarters and this was the answer:

\"The restriction for scratch built models only applies to the Lord of the Rings categories. This is due to the licence we have with New Line Cinema. Any scratch built Lord of the Rings entries will be removed. However, sculpting or scratch building miniatures for Games Workshop universes is no problem at all. Hope that helps.\"

I personally agree to being able to sculpt full miniatures, even if the painting is the prime point at the time of judging, why can\'t we show and expand our skills even with the sculpting? (and of course i can understand the lotr prob.). Also, sculpting can be judged a a bad point if it doesnt reach a good level. ITs as simple as that: if you think you are able to and want to create a mini scratch, go for it; if you feel better at plain painting, either enter paintmaster or any other cat. painting at your best level and try to get your trophy... afterall, it\'s your choice

 

[Albert Moreto Font]

well shouldnt the tilte of the forum change?lollol

 

[Medved]

so what willthey do with the 11th category? i think paintmaster would be a very apt category. i do however feel that the competition rules should be standardised across the countries. i think the paintmaster went down very well in France and as they are now allowing conversions on the LOTR minis i think this would be a good runner.

 

[Albert Moreto Font]

paintmaster was invented in spain and it did well so in france they did the same and right, in UK that would be a good choice

 

[ilynx2k4]

Slightly off topic, well have to arrange to get as many of the CMONers to meet up ad GD for a coupleof quick photos; for novelty sake more than anything!