Vallejo Alchohol Metalics?

[ScottRadom]

I ordered the range from the CMON shop, but my questions were....

1) Just clean the brushes with rubbing alcohol? Or is something else needed?

2) Are they real hard on brushes? Should I have a set just for these paints?

Thanks to all. And if anyone has any advice on using them or experiences I\'d love to hear them.

 

[Dragonsreach]

Originally posted by ScottRadom

2) Are they real hard on brushes? Should I have a set just for these paints?

Scott : Probably best to keep the brushes separate. I have a separate set for the Water Soluble Oils I use.
Oh and DON\'T Lick Your Brush when using those.:|~

 

[mickc22]

Don\'t know about the alcohol, as I got the brush cleaner to clean up with

definitely separate brushes, so far my brushes seem OK

be warned! they dry real quick

 

[generulpoleaxe]

Originally posted by Dragonsreach

Originally posted by ScottRadom

2) Are they real hard on brushes? Should I have a set just for these paints?

Scott : Probably best to keep the brushes separate. I have a separate set for the Water Soluble Oils I use.
Oh and DON\'T Lick Your Brush when using those.:|~

water soluble oils don\'t taste that bad mike, not after putting a brush in your mouth with traditional oils on it lol

 

[Einion]

Originally posted by ScottRadom
1) Just clean the brushes with rubbing alcohol? Or is something else needed?

That\'ll work fine - isopropyl, methy alcohol, rubbing alcohol, methylated spirits. Even Everclear would work I think, if you\'re a drinking man.

Originally posted by ScottRadom
2) Are they real hard on brushes? Should I have a set just for these paints?

Yeah, they can be. I don\'t think it\'s necessary to have a dedicated set but you might want to just use synthetics or older Kolinskys.

Originally posted by ScottRadom
Thanks to all. And if anyone has any advice on using them or experiences I\'d love to hear them.

Brush quickly! You think acrylics dry fast, you aint seen nothin\' yet If you\'ve ever worked with shellac you\'ll have a good idea of what to expect.

You can get a lovely, nearly plated effect with the best of these but IME it\'s generally a good idea to apply them in a quick, wet application with as little to-and-fro as possible. If you have to apply more than one coat, don\'t brush around too much as it can disturb the paint already on the surface - it\'ll still be bright, but not as smooth.

Einion

 

[ScottRadom]

Thanks guys, Next question. Do I need to \"water\" them down with alcohol or are they plenty thin as is?

I wonder how long it\'ll take from the CMON shop to my doorstep. I ordered yesterday AM, got my notification that the order was recieved and I think assembled. I\'m off work from the 7th till the 18th so It\'d be cool to get that load of stuff.

 

[freakinacage]

Originally posted by Einion
Brush quickly! You think acrylics dry fast, you aint seen nothin\' yet If you\'ve ever worked with shellac you\'ll have a good idea of what to expect.

yeah

they are super thin too so don\'t worry about obscuring detail. they are fab (rubbing alcohol cleans them fine)

 

[mickc22]

Originally posted by ScottRadom
Thanks guys, Next question. Do I need to \"water\" them down with alcohol or are they plenty thin as is?

I wonder how long it\'ll take from the CMON shop to my doorstep. I ordered yesterday AM, got my notification that the order was recieved and I think assembled. I\'m off work from the 7th till the 18th so It\'d be cool to get that load of stuff.

no need to thin them, as they are fairly thin already,
Just from observation when cleaning, I think the metallics would just drop out of solution if you added them alcohol

 

[ScottRadom]

Right on. Looking forward to having another set of paints to worry about! TY Amigo\'s!

 

[demonherald]

Make sure you shake the buggers like a nutcase first use and even if your not using them periodically give them a shake..
The alcohol doesn\'t hold the pigment in solution as well as traditional acrylics so settling in the pot can be a beeeatch...

 

[Einion]

Originally posted by demonherald
Make sure you shake the buggers like a nutcase first use and even if your not using them periodically give them a shake..
The alcohol doesn\'t hold the pigment in solution as well as traditional acrylics so settling in the pot can be a beeeatch...

Seconded.

Einion

 

[mickc22]

Originally posted by demonherald
Make sure you shake the buggers like a nutcase first use and even if your not using them periodically give them a shake..
The alcohol doesn\'t hold the pigment in solution as well as traditional acrylics so settling in the pot can be a beeeatch...

tripled!
I even went so far as to make a stirrer out of one of those battery operated coffee frothers. I nipped off the bit that does the frothing just after the bend, ending up with a truncated \'L\'
Beware if you do this you\'ll need a makeshift cover to cover the pot, unless you want to fling paint around your workbench

not that I did anything like that of course

 

[mickc22]

just as an update

I ordered some isopropyl (sp?) alcohol from the pharmacy, it cost me £5 for 500ml as opposed to £2-3 from a model shop for 85ml

I could have gotten a 2l bottle for about £12 I think it was, didn\'t think I\'d need that much though

 

[Einion]

Yeah, it\'s nearly always going to work out cheaper to get that kind of thing from a pharmacy, if they stock it, than in a hobby size. In the US you\'d just go to a hardware store, where you could also buy ammonia and muriatic acid (hydrochloric acid!) in gallons or more, if you had a use for them.

Einion

 

[mickc22]

yeah, that really pees me off
I could just go into wal-mart and buy all the components to make my vacuum chamber...
not here tho, I want a 400mmx400mm piece of 12mm polycarbonate, simple. Oh no I\'ve gottta buy the whole sheet! at £500!! :cussing:
a simple vacuum gauge will cost me over £20!!
AARRRGGHHH!!

 

[Einion]

Originally posted by mickc22
...I want a 400mmx400mm piece of 12mm polycarbonate, simple. Oh no I\'ve gottta buy the whole sheet! at £500!! :cussing:

Jesus!! Not surprised about the whole sheet - similar to hardboard in most places - but that\'s some price!

Originally posted by mickc22
a simple vacuum gauge will cost me over £20!!

Well it\'s sorta a precision bit of kit, that price does seem about right.

Einion

 

[mickc22]

I guess
it\'s just when I read \"picked up a vacuum gauge at \"insert american superstore\" for £5\"

why can\'t we do that here?

 

[Einion]

Originally posted by mickc22
I guess
it\'s just when I read \"picked up a vacuum gauge at \"insert american superstore\" for £5\"

why can\'t we do that here?

\'Cause it\'s over here

Seriously, you want to go really \'backward\' you want to see what\'s not available here in Ireland. Makes the UK seem like an Aladdin\'s cave lol

Einion

 

[Dragonsreach]

Originally posted by mickc22
I guess
it\'s just when I read \"picked up a vacuum gauge at \"insert american superstore\" for £5\"

why can\'t we do that here?

Why Not talk to our very shortly to be visiting American friend?



LIZCAM in case to didn\'t get the hint?

 

[airhead]

Liz, try an automotive parts store if Home Depot does not have one.
Don\'t know what\'s out there: Pep Boys, Discount Auto, NAPA

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