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[beltane]

I do not like to complain, but I think my gallery is under constant attack by "snipers" ..
I do not even understand more what my miniatures deserve the vote, I tried to contact the administration of cmon, but I do not deserve answer ..
sorry for this outburst and leave you the link of my model:

http://www.coolminiornot.com/312022

thanks

Matteo

 

[10 ball]

This is top work sir, well above 7.9 score. Its just snipers - don't sweat it

 

[grefven]

It is undeniably a great paintjob, but honestly, the level of paintjobs goes up all the time. Paintjobs that would win you a golden demon 10 years ago wouldn't even be accepted into the competition. What won you a GD 2009 can't be compared with the top quality of today. Old merits don't last long around here.

 

[boubi]

I partially agree with you Grefven. The work did by Beltane (freehand and global paint job) deserve higher score compared to many other minis above 8.

 

[beltane]

It is undeniably a great paintjob, but honestly, the level of paintjobs goes up all the time. Paintjobs that would win you a golden demon 10 years ago wouldn't even be accepted into the competition. What won you a GD 2009 can't be compared with the top quality of today. Old merits don't last long around here.

I do not understand your comment ^ ^, "the thumbnail is not 10 years ago but 3 ^ ^" you find that the level of painting this piece is not "current" I understand you correctly? ... and did not deserve the award because it is a miniature 10 years ago?

I'm sorry, but I did not understand your hard action , but thanks for you comment direct

 

[PegaZus]

What grefven was trying to say is that a mini 3-5 years ago with that level of paint would get a 10, while now it would only get a 8. I say true, but only sometimes.

For a good score, look at the registered votes not the raw vote. I see it is at 7.9 for raw, but (9.4) for registered. Take the 9.4 to heart.

 

[Avicenna]

Its probably a tad low, but I think that the freehand is painted to a much higher level than the model in question. I think the freehand is a 9 but the model itself would force me to vote an 8.

Keep posting though and don't let the score get you down

 

[beltane]

What grefven was trying to say is that a mini 3-5 years ago with that level of paint would get a 10, while now it would only get a 8. I say true, but only sometimes.

For a good score, look at the registered votes not the raw vote. I see it is at 7.9 for raw, but (9.4) for registered. Take the 9.4 to heart.

I thank you for the clarification now I understand ehehe but should not be assessed only painting? ...

 

[beltane]

Its probably a tad low, but I think that the freehand is painted to a much higher level than the model in question. I think the freehand is a 9 but the model itself would force me to vote an 8.

Keep posting though and don't let the score get you down

thanks for your point of view I realize that the thumbnail is old and this affects the vote, but I'm happy with the result and I think the 7.9 rating really too low

 

[Dragonsreach]

I do not like to complain, but I think my gallery is under constant attack by "snipers" ..
Matteo

Matteo.
As someone who moderates comments I have recently seen a number of reactions against comments you have made on peoples work.
One this morning was less than complimentary about your attitude in your comments and to be honest having seen some of your comments there are times when you are, to say the least "tactless".
Therefore I have to say that this is a situtation you may have brought upon yourself.

I will inspect the scoring on your gallery and take appropriate action.

But can I suggest that you take some time to try a little introspection and consider how you make comments in the future.
Being honest is one thing, being honest and polite gains you more respect.

 

[freakinacage]

I like that mini, congrats on the gold

 

[SkelettetS]

I like that mini, congrats on the gold

same here! congrats!

 

[beltane]

Matteo.
As someone who moderates comments I have recently seen a number of reactions against comments you have made on peoples work.
One this morning was less than complimentary about your attitude in your comments and to be honest having seen some of your comments there are times when you are, to say the least "tactless".
Therefore I have to say that this is a situtation you may have brought upon yourself.

I will inspect the scoring on your gallery and take appropriate action.

But can I suggest that you take some time to try a little introspection and consider how you make comments in the future.
Being honest is one thing, being honest and polite gains you more respect.

I do not understand!? I have always had a very respectful behavior here on cmon
Your action leaves me very puzzled honestly you're talking about things that are foreign to me, I hope I do not have bad surprises please make it clear in private. thanks for your time.

 

[grefven]

I do not understand your comment

Don't get me wrong. I, personally, love your style and your paintjobs. BUT something that was painted 3-4 years ago (to what is considered a very high standard back then) can't be compared to the top quality jobs today. Something that scored maybe a 9-10 back in 2009 will score maybe 8-9 in 2012. Something that scored 9-10 2003 will maybe score 7-8 2012. All the techniques are constantly being improved, and so are the tools too. Better tools, better paints, etc. Also, the thought about the base has changed over the years. Several years ago a simple base was considered good. These days, to score a 10, you pretty much need a really solid base too. Same thing applies with conversions (and sculpting, too, to a degree). A couple of years ago there were minor alterations, these days, people almost expect more alterations to create a more dynamic scene. Yours got pretty much neither of this.

Again, don't get me wrong. Top quality in 2009 for sure! But it can't be contested with the top jobs of 2012. This might be an explination to why it is a bit less scored than what you might expect.

Edit: Also, no, people do not simply look at the paintjob. There is so much more taken into consideration. The paintjob will most likely, for most people, have the highest impact. But then there are 1.) sculpting/conversions, 2.) the base, 3.) honestly, if people don't like the miniature, it will get a lower score regardless of it being top notch or not, 4.) name, yeah really, if you've got a name people tend to score it differently than if its "average joe" that posts it.

 

[Pygmalion]

Please excuse me, as I am pretty much a beginner at this and thus have not yet developed the "eye" to see things properly, but that mini looks terrific to me. I should say in real life I am a professional artist-illustrator, so I am not coming into this completely blind. But I freely confess I'm not up on mini culture and expectations.

The ranking system I confess I do not yet have a handle on. 7.9 is not good? How does it work? I couldn't find a reference for how many points were supposed to be for poor, fair, good, excellent, outstanding and the like, nor what I was supposed to be looking for -- color, clarity, uniformity, three-dimensional effect, overall appearance, what?

It's like judging Olympic gymnastics without knowing how.

Matteo.
As someone who moderates comments I have recently seen a number of reactions against comments you have made on peoples work.
One this morning was less than complimentary about your attitude in your comments and to be honest having seen some of your comments there are times when you are, to say the least "tactless".
Therefore I have to say that this is a situtation you may have brought upon yourself.

I will inspect the scoring on your gallery and take appropriate action.

But can I suggest that you take some time to try a little introspection and consider how you make comments in the future.
Being honest is one thing, being honest and polite gains you more respect.

That is unfortunate if it's accurate. But surely the judgments should be of the work, not of the artist. The artists's personality has nothing to do with the quality of the work. Plenty of jerks have made beautiful art, as Picasso or Dali demonstrate.

And the use of retaliatory rankings makes me worry that this place may devolve into crazy the way Amazon book reviews have.

 

[beltane]

Don't get me wrong. I, personally, love your style and your paintjobs. BUT something that was painted 3-4 years ago (to what is considered a very high standard back then) can't be compared to the top quality jobs today. Something that scored maybe a 9-10 back in 2009 will score maybe 8-9 in 2012. Something that scored 9-10 2003 will maybe score 7-8 2012. All the techniques are constantly being improved, and so are the tools too. Better tools, better paints, etc. Also, the thought about the base has changed over the years. Several years ago a simple base was considered good. These days, to score a 10, you pretty much need a really solid base too. Same thing applies with conversions (and sculpting, too, to a degree). A couple of years ago there were minor alterations, these days, people almost expect more alterations to create a more dynamic scene. Yours got pretty much neither of this.

Again, don't get me wrong. Top quality in 2009 for sure! But it can't be contested with the top jobs of 2012. This might be an explination to why it is a bit less scored than what you might expect.

Edit: Also, no, people do not simply look at the paintjob. There is so much more taken into consideration. The paintjob will most likely, for most people, have the highest impact. But then there are 1.) sculpting/conversions, 2.) the base, 3.) honestly, if people don't like the miniature, it will get a lower score regardless of it being top notch or not, 4.) name, yeah really, if you've got a name people tend to score it differently than if its "average joe" that posts it.

I understand your reasoning and I agree with you thank you for your constructive feedback in the future will post my recent work ^^

 

[funnymouth]

i think its good. the technical aspects of the painting are top notch, but the subject itself is pretty uninteresting to me and the mural on the base seems like it was tacked on so you could show off your freehand skills (which are impressive). because i don't find it all that inspiring, though, i would probably give it an 8.5 -ish. Still better that i've ever gotten....

remember: its coolminiornot, not "well painted mini or not."

 

[Durus]

I remember how surprised I was when I saw this piece the first time. I was also pretty surprised that the painting "Yorick the Nobleman" by James Ryman is nowhere mentioned in connection to it. A breach of etiquette like this might also cause it to lose points. The replication on the miniature is no doubt an impressive display of skill, the failure to mention it's inspiration leaves a weird aftertaste though. Especially since it's such a prominent part of the scene.

Apart from that a rating of 8 is not bad.

 

[beltane]

I remember how surprised I was when I saw this piece the first time. I was also pretty surprised that the painting "Yorick the Nobleman" by James Ryman is nowhere mentioned in connection to it. A breach of etiquette like this might also cause it to lose points. The replication on the miniature is no doubt an impressive display of skill, the failure to mention it's inspiration leaves a weird aftertaste though. Especially since it's such a prominent part of the scene.

Apart from that a rating of 8 is not bad.

this is the second time that I publish this photo, I forgot to add the text that was the first time, on this link you can see the quote to the artist (which I also personally contacted)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1790424529792&set=a.1790382048730.2099940.1514997587&type=3

you still did well to get myself noticed my error
I will take to fix it.

A score of 8 is not bad ... this is true, but without me being hypocritical I do not think its real vote

 

[Skullz]

I just looked at your mini with fresh eyes and gave it a solid 8 in my honest opinion. I think your freehand is very nice however, the miniature isn't ground shaking. It's not a new miniature and well...every day brings bigger and better things. I'm speaking as one who has competed in several Golden Demon competitions and has won a Golden Deamon. I come on to this site on a daily basis and have to say that the painting skill has come up a notch in the past 10+ years.