war on drugs
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Both very creative ideas. I almost admire the style. Maybe the police could get one of those remote controlled mini helicopers and fit it with a machine gun and shoot down the \'drug sub\' 
I mite use that pipeline idea for some friday night entertainment from the beer keg to the lounge :drunk:
I mite use that pipeline idea for some friday night entertainment from the beer keg to the lounge :drunk:
War Griffon
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Well to be honest it doesn\'t surprise me in the least. If you have seen some of the things I have seen people try to smuggle drugs in this is just one of their more inventive ways.
Customs are finding different methods all the time and every few years the smugglers will go back to a tried method to see what they can get away with.
These days the average maritime haul s around the 12 1/2 ton mark and that is not including the actual runners just a carrier.
Customs are finding different methods all the time and every few years the smugglers will go back to a tried method to see what they can get away with.
These days the average maritime haul s around the 12 1/2 ton mark and that is not including the actual runners just a carrier.
Better than burying someone you love, because of them.
generulpoleaxe
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Originally posted by Dragonsreach
Better than burying someone you love, because of them.
sorry mike, but i agree with petey.
the amount of money wasted on beuracracy with the so called war on drugs by western countries is ridiculous.
with nothing being achieved because the source doesn\'t get touched.
they know where the plantations are, yet do not destroy them, why, because the offiicials within those countries benefit too much from them and thus will not coaperate with other countries.
that\'s what the militaries should be doing, instead of gaining control of oil resources for american oil barrons and the bush family.
Einion
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Better ways of dealing with the problem.Originally posted by Dragonsreach
Better than burying someone you love, because of them.
I can\'t remember the last figure I heard for the US Gov\'s spend on this but it was in the billions. And what do they have to show for it? Effectively nada. Zip.
Einion
Shawn R. L.
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Had my own dark bout with substance abuse. Death and lives spent rotting, waiting to die. Destroyed families, damaged kids.
This war is a war that must be won from within one\'s self...........each person, one at a time. To me, what I\'m seeing all around me is simply a reflection of the spiritual void in the society. Looking for the government to make drugs go away will never work. It doesn\'t address the real problem - spiritual emptiness.
Because more than half those damned cartels have armies larger than the country that they\'re in! If you went in and took out the cartel, what then? The Cartels fight among themselves for the land you just freed up (and have conveniently been proven to be good growing grounds for their crops). Tearing apart the continent in the process. It\'s happened before.Originally posted by generulpoleaxe
Originally posted by Dragonsreach
Better than burying someone you love, because of them.
sorry mike, but i agree with petey.
the amount of money wasted on beuracracy with the so called war on drugs by western countries is ridiculous.
with nothing being achieved because the source doesn\'t get touched.
they know where the plantations are, yet do not destroy them, why, because the offiicials within those countries benefit too much from them and thus will not coaperate with other countries.
The last time Columbia really tried to stop the cocain trade, they started Vietcong style attacks on the country. Yeah, they profit from it, so what? I\'m not going to give too much of a damned what they do to their own country, just so long as they keep it out of mine, and don\'t cross certain boundaries of human rights.
Pissing the cartels off tended to lead to them beating the cripes out of our oil pipeline through the region on a daily basis. If you think that\'s really not that bad, you really havn\'t been paying attention to how the rise in oil prices is effecting the economy, already.
UGH! *closes eyes*
*one...two...three...* *opens eyes* nope still there...
Yes, because the drastic rise in prices in gasoline is evidence that the US is taking all of the damned oil. Do you know where all the oil that Iraq is giving to the us military is going? The vast majority of it isn\'t leaving the damned country, it\'s being used to fuel tanks, trucks, cars, generators, and anything else that\'s running on diesel. It\'s not even coming out of our normal trade in oil (to my knowledge), it\'s being supplied to our forces. Do you know where it\'d be going otherwise? Neither do I, but I can make a more than clear guess that it\'s being going into a reserve somewhere in Iraq, just like the US does with portions of it\'s own oil, and just like Saddam had before he got himself deposed.
I\'m tired of this damned oil thing getting in the way of a perfectly good overthrowing of a dictator. Especially when we were getting railed for not taking the A-hole out years ago when we last went in there to stop him from torturing and killing another country\'s people.
Also, you do realize that the cost guard spends absolute JACK on fighting the war on drugs, because of what the Coast Guard does. When you hear a figure quoted, it doesn\'t mean they set aside such and such amount of money from the budget to do just this, it\'s a rough number based on the number of agencies and personnel that they already have doing things that fall into that category.
The money the coast guard uses to fight the war on drugs is also the money they use to impose trading restrictions, the same money they use to patrol harbors for unsafe boating and watersports, the same money they use to pull illegal immigrants out of the water from drowning, the same money they use to protect the sea based borders, and the same money they use for everything else that they do. It\'s the amount that it costs to run coast guard operations. So, you\'re not getting jacked out of money because the Coast Guard is doing it\'s job and guarding our coasts. They do it because they\'d be doing it anyways, because they\'re bringing a controlled substance into the US, the same as if they were carrying weapons or even a controlled household cleaning agent.
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On a separate note, anyone a little concerned how simple it seemed for the news group in the article to get a statement from a drug czar?
airhead
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I agree.
A. They are not keeping it out of your country, they are dead set on selling it to your neighbor and your kids.
B. What rights have they not crossed? Murder, rape, piracy just to get started.
As a former member of the war, and a person that has lost too many friends to drugs, I have no love for drugs, dealers or smugglers.
I\'m not agreeing with what they do, I\'m saying that the focus of keeping it out of the country is more than trying to go in there and shut it down. I disagree with them trying to bring it into the country, of course I do, but I\'m not going to give two pennies about what they do within their own country. Which is why I take the stance that we should play catcher/goalie (whatever your sport) and stop it coming here.
Yeah, going into their countries and shutting them down would be one thing (probably the best thing), but it would be such a massive undertaking that, I might add, would get absolute jack for approval in any multi-country court or system (like the UN), that anyone trying to do it would be crucified by the world media and the majority of the world nations.
The unscrupulous drug smugglers only exist because there are buyers who will spend everything they own on drugs.
Maybe if as a society we stop glorifying drug culture there could be a chance to really stop it, but there is no way in hell that would ever happen.
Just say no...
(they could adopt that motto if they\'d like!)lollollol
Honestly, though, the drug trade exists because there is a market for it. It\'s not socially taboo.
Maybe if as a society we stop glorifying drug culture there could be a chance to really stop it, but there is no way in hell that would ever happen.
Just say no...
(they could adopt that motto if they\'d like!)lollollol
Honestly, though, the drug trade exists because there is a market for it. It\'s not socially taboo.
generulpoleaxe
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so you think topling a tyrant and getting some oil in the process is okay, but taking out people who directly effect the world isn\'t?
interesting.
Legacy Account
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Damn straight. Not sure about the \'spiritual void\' thing, but last time I looked, freewill was still in existence. Just because heroin is around, doesn\'t mean you have to take it.
Exactly. Or, to put much less of a skew on it, taking out a tyrant who we know without the shadow of a doubt is willing to do whatever he needs to fight enemies, and who, on numerous occasions, has said so himself, threatened to do so, and on at least two occasions, done so, needs to be taken out. Oil isn\'t being taken out of there, it\'s being given, sold, traded, however you want to put it. There\'s no one standing there saying that the oil fields belong to the US, there are some set aside by the government of Iraq for use by the US and US companies, but there\'s no dictatorship in the distribution of oil, which couldn\'t be said of before we attacked and deposed a tyrant.
On the other hand, with the drug cartels, we\'re dealing with extreme politics. There\'s little politicking needed in taking out a dictator who murders his people, but when you have a democracy or parliament, such as these south american countries containing drug cartels have, even a puppet one, you have to be extremely careful in doing it, because you will get raked over the coals, and called a tyrant yourself for it (no matter the actual politics in your country). Hell, it\'s happening now in a time when we had every reason to go in (even without having to call upon suspected WMDs), as we know Saddam had committed war crimes and threatened to do more.
However, when taking out a country with a democracy or parliament, it\'s an extremely delicate situation. People are supposed to be free in a democracy or parliament, which means they\'re allowed to be absolute evil a-something-or-other, bowel of hell type people and do what they want within the limits dictated by their government. Also, if I was to say that their democracy or parliament shouldn\'t be able to govern themselves I\'d be called a hypocrite. I fully believe in the right to say what you want, and I\'d die to defend it if I believed it or not (but of course, you still have the right to be held accountable for what you say).
I could point out that the political climate grew due to the haphazard splitting of once-colonial lands by European nations, but I try not to be like that, because there\'s jack for all we can do about it now. Now that the tribes in the lands of South America, southern Asia, and some countries of Africa have turned into cartels, turning tribal work and law into economic and political work and law.
Now, as I was saying, America is constantly in a damned if you do anything situation worldwide. If there\'s a problem we get raked over the coals for not doing something about it, or seeing it sooner. If we try to fix it, we get raked again for not doing it sooner, and raked twice for actually taking part in the global political and war situation (which the UN itself has been slightly more hesitant about joining in any meaningful numbers since around the time of the Korean War). If we do nothing, again with the hot coals, this time for not doing it. I\'ve seen/heard the US called tyrants and murderers for not taking a meaningful step into a conflict as often as I\'ve seen it happen for us taking part in it.
