Weathering miniatures with oil paints

m0nolith

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Hello, first time poster here.

Iv been looking recently through a lot of different tutorials and guides that specialize with 1/72 and 1/35 scale model kits so as to apply the techniques them on flames of war tanks/vehicles, and one thing that has absolutely fascinated me is the the use of oil paints with weathering. I'm wondering if anyone uses oils to weather their vehicles or is a technique that is not as effective as on larger scales vehicles, and if they have any tips/recommendations? I can seldom find anyone talking about using oils for weathering when it comes to miniatures (even though its very popular for larger scale modelling).

PS: I also plan on using Tamiya paints if that makes a difference at all.
 
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Bloodhowl

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If I recall correctly, Meph and Runebrush use oils for weathering. I know Meph discussed this in his threads in the WIP section. Send them a pm and I am sure they will be more than happy to answer any questions you may have.
 

Einion

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If you think about the weathering (not just with oils) of a single panel of a 1/35 scale tank you should easily see how applicable the technique is to vehicles of a smaller scale. You do have to make some effort to scale down the effects properly, but that's less critical for fantasy subjects that in historical modelling anyway.

Incidentally, while the Tamiya paints themselves are quite good for vehicle colouring I'd recommend you read up on how they're typically used; other hobby paints like Vallejo are better suited to some of the subtler effects done with that kind of paint, because they work better applied by brush.

Einion
 

TrystanGST

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I've got a whole book from FSM (fine scale modeler) just on realistic weathering. The stuff those guys are doing to their vehicles is amazing. I'm glad to see it slowly making it's way to the tabletop gaming crowd. As for oils, I think they're great for weathering. I know I enjoyed using them on my large marine. Was easy to get the effect I wanted, and wipe off the rest.
 

RuneBrush

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Bloodhowl is correct, I've used oils to weather a couple of vehicles and buildings now and plan to do the same on a small HH Death Guard army too. The effect works really well. Are you after any specific effect or advice?

Your actual paint choice is entirely up to you - I use a mix of Citadel and P3 on the whole. Most important thing is you need to hit your model with a gloss varnish (and let it dry) before putting oils on, else they'll soak into the paint underneath :)
 

m0nolith

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Thanks for the Resposne. Here are some of the questions that I have.

3 Questions:
First: If i want to make a filter effect with acrylic based color such as Tamiya or Vallejo , do I use the oils before or after the varnish (im guessing its before)
Two: do i have to put gloss varnish on it or can it be flat varnish
Three: Has anyone here tried Abteilung 502 oils by MIG and how is it comparable to Windsor & Newton oils when it comes to miniatures and kits.
 

Einion

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m0nolith said:
Two: do i have to put gloss varnish on it or can it be flat varnish
You don't have to varnish at all in fact, but if you use specific techniques and want them to work as you've seen in demos where a gloss overcoat was used it's actually necessary, not optional I'm afraid.

A lot depends on how you intend to use the oil paint though - washes, glazes, thick paint brushed out, stippling, scumbling, drybrushing, a combination. Some of these really need to be done on a gloss-varnished layer to work right, but others actually work better on a matt surface (in which case no varnishing at all is required, long as you're not heavy handed).

m0nolith said:
Three: Has anyone here tried Abteilung 502 oils by MIG and how is it comparable to Windsor & Newton oils when it comes to miniatures and kits.
I'm generally against buying hobby paints as a rule, since they're nearly invariably overpriced for what you get. But the Abteilung paints aren't pricey I believe so they may represent a decent buy.

I would recommend you do at least one or two like-for-like comparisons with other paints though, to check the qualities.

It's extremely unlikely they're as highly pigmented as the artists' oils from W&N (or any other reasonably high-end brand) but saying that they don't have to be to be usable. Many of the cheaper regular oil paints, the student or studio ranges like W&N's Winton or D-R Georgian are actually okay quality, and way way cheaper than artists' oils.

The colours that are made using the cheapest pigments are generally the best quality in cheaper paint ranges because they can include a fair amount of pigment and keep to their price point. So white, black and all the earth colours - which are handily most of the colours we'd want to use for weathering - can be fairly decent.

Taking the below point out of order because it relates to the above:
m0nolith said:
First: If i want to make a filter effect with acrylic based color such as Tamiya or Vallejo , do I use the oils before or after the varnish (im guessing its before)
Sorry you'll have to define exactly what you mean by 'filter' since I won't pay any attention to that term :messed: Seriously though, filter is just another word for a glaze - a transparent layer used to tint or slightly colour the paint underneath. That's how the term is usually meant.

You can use any acrylic-type paint over the oil effects, but it's usually done once a flat overcoat has been applied. There are then no adhesion problems (or beading) which you can get otherwise.

Glazing is actually one of the things that oils are particularly well suited to, so if you're going to use oil paint anyway I'd recommend trying to use the oil paint for those effects as much as you can, take maximum advantage of the medium. But you do need a larger palette than just white, black and earths if you want to use the oils for this purpose; to a degree this is also true anyway for some of the other techniques you might want to use them for.

Einion
 

RuneBrush

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First: If i want to make a filter effect with acrylic based color such as Tamiya or Vallejo , do I use the oils before or after the varnish (im guessing its before)

As Einion says the word 'filter' is a bit ambiguous as people use it to describe a lot of different effects.

Two: do i have to put gloss varnish on it or can it be flat varnish

Could you explain what effect you're trying to achieve? I use gloss varnish to allow me to put paint around to simulate built up dirt, oil effect and rain type effects. As a general rule of thumb I put on the base colours, hit with gloss varnish and then (once dry) do all my oil weathering and any rust effects. The gloss varnish ensures that I maintain the colour I applied in my base layer.

Einion is right in that some effects need a gloss varnish as this actually provides you with a surface you can push oil around without it 'snagging'

Three: Has anyone here tried Abteilung 502 oils by MIG and how is it comparable to Windsor & Newton oils when it comes to miniatures and kits.

I've not - I've got a total of 3 different W&N paints - black, brown and green :) Not needed anything else so far.
 
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