Weird texture....

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angus147258

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Hi guys,
When I paint I normaly use very thin paint in order to acheive the best blending. When I thin this much however, I run into a problem. The paint stretches over the area in an uneven fasion causing a mottled texture on the surface. This looks HORRABLE close up.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to solve this? I\'m using RMS and VMC/VGC paint and distiled water and flow aid (sometimes even glaze medium) to thin them.

Thanks guys,
Jake
 
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Sister of Silence

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Sounds like you may have finger grease on the model. You need to use a thicker layer of base coat and try not to touch the model after you have undercoated. If it is still a problem, try mixing a tiny spot of PVA glue into the paint, as this will literally stick the paint to the model.

I\'m attemptoing to paint Forgeworld droppods, and I\'m getting this all the time!

Hope this helps
 
Avelorn

Avelorn

Sven Jonsson
Is it due to drops forming.. does it look like rain on a windshield? In that case it might be grease like SoS said. However.. using PVA glue... It most probably works but, I don\'t dare with my W&N brushes. And it should fix after one adhesive primer layer. Sebastian uses a glove on the hand which is not holding the brush when he\'s doing gaming miniatures. I tend to only hold the stand I always use (cork or a paint pot).

If it is more that the pigments of the paint disperse unevenly, so the whole area is still wet.. then it\'s slightly tricky. Be sure that you shake your Vallejos like hell.. and pull all the pigments in the same direction if possible. Draw them toward edges for example.. But if you can\'t do that you might have to use slightly thicker paint and more of a layering technique. I also mix midtones to even the colours out.. and washes as well. But it can be quite timeconsuming to fix. Actually I have this problem myself with some colours.. so if someone has the final solution I\'m most willing to listen! :D Sometimes the different chemical stuff you put in the paint can actually do the opposite of what they\'re supposed to. So try with pure water.. then with Vallejo glaze medium.
 
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Modderrhu

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How much do you thin, Jake? I think Avelorn got it right to suggest using thicker paint. Paint that is too thin can allow the pigment and binder to coagulate unevenly before completely drying. I use GW paint, and have had similar issues when thinning beyond 10:1, but adding an acrylic binder, like Future, sorts the issue out for me.

The PVA glue idea is marvellous! I\'ve only used it for washes, because; it increases the surface tension of the paint. But, if it increases base layer/primer adhesion, I think I\'ll give it a try.
 
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JaPizzy

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I don\'t think i\'ve ever seen that, but when I\'ve layered with very thin paint, I find that if I touch the surface by accident, the paint gets fingerprints in it, that don\'t seem to go away.

Has anyone else seen this effect? Do you know if varnishing it will restore the fingerprints?
 
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skeeve

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I just had to recoat a mini with the same problem. It almost feels like in very thin paint the pigment is not suspended anymore and precipitates unevenly. When I added some of VMC thiner it seemed to help, but alas it was too late
 
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J2FcM

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Yeah, Ill throw some cents on the too thin bit. I was a thinning maniac, due to the \"thin you paints!\" craze. Well, turns out, over-thinning is just as much a problem with me!


ACTUALLY... from my experience, thinner paints over white primer\\base. Thicker paints over black.
 
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angus147258

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Thanks for the comments. I thin 6-12 parts water to 1 part paint usualy. It\'s not that the paints not sticking it\'s that it doesn\'t stick it just precipitates unevenly on the surface. You can see it a tad on my monique de noir. It\'s funny, i didn\'t get this once when painting my chaplain.

Thanks,
Jake
 
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Target

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Sounds like you might have your paint too thin.

I have used hand wash liquid soap. This breaks the surface tension, and makes the model smell nice. Only the smallest of small drops is required though.
 
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Ritual

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I also think you thin the paint too much. Do you thin the paint this much all the time or just for shading and highlighting? I wouldn\'t recommend thinning your paint that much for base coating. I usually have a consistency that allows me to get the area completely covered in two coats for the base coat.

If you get that problem when applying shadows and highlights I bet that it would help if you made the paint slightly thicker and also applied more coats to even out the effect. Also glaze with a heavily thinned down base coat now and then inbetween layers to smooth things out.
 
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angus147258

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Base with 3-1 paint - thinner. I\'ll try using thicker paint for highting and shading.
I feel so conflicted now! Thin your paints more! Use thicker paint! AHHHHHHHH! :eek:
 
Avelorn

Avelorn

Sven Jonsson
;)

You have to realise that it depends on the quality of the paint as well. Some paints you can thin almost infinetly. It doesn\'t depend on the brand.. I had no luck with Vallejo flat green for example while pale greyblue is great imo (maybe I didn\'t shake the bastard enough.. darn Vallejo thick paint..)

And one more thing.. take a colour like kommando khaki that doesn\'t cover well.. awful for basecoating but instead it lovely for layering.

The thinner the paint.. the harder to control in most painting cases. Don\'t forget to look so that the pigment haven\'t separated as well.. you can see it.. but also test it. I always try the paint on my thumb before painting it on the miniature (except with wetblending.. darn speedfreak technique).
 
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angus147258

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I do that anyway. I don\'t think it is a grease isue. I never touch the mini while I\'m painting.

I added some future and it helped a little bit. I don\'t know what going on. Maybe if I add a touch of matte varnish it will settle better?

Thanks,
Jake
 
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