WH40K and the bible

[stubert]

well i was just reading revelation\'s 9:11 and came across this *their king is the angel from the bottomless pit; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon* iv notest stuff like this quit a lot in GW. have eny of you notest stuff like this you can remember?? (i just find it intresting )

 

[Tahn]

Yes, all of the time. I can\'t remember them right now, but I\'ve come accross it many times.

 

[Bill]

Lictor: (in Ancient Rome) one of a body of attendants on chief magistrates, who preceded them carrying the fasces and whose duties included executing the sentences of criminals. (Fasces =a bundle of rods containing an axe with the blade projecting, borne before Roman magistrates as an emblem of official power.)

Seraphim: plural of one of the celestial beings hovering above God\'s throne in Isaiah\'s vision. Isa. 6. Biblical again.

Termagant: 1. a violent, turbulent, or brawling woman. 2. (initial capital letter) a mythical deity popularly believed in the Middle Ages to be worshiped by the Muslims and introduced into the morality play as a violent, overbearing personage in long robes. lol Very tyranid-like!

They also source a lot of stuff from Latin for the Gothicky 40K Witchhunters or Daemonhunters which have roughly the same meaning, like Acolyte or Servitor. Interesting

~Bll

 

[Swordwind]

More or less everything in 40k is nicked from somewhere else.

 

[No Such Agency]

Yeah and then that Tolkein guy went and nicked all his stuff from WH! Buncha rip off artists!

 

[Torn blue sky]

Ah yes, not to mention Warmaster Satan and Sanguinus\' kid brother Michael...
Subliminal messaging for the masses, kinda like public MSN...only slightly more sinister,,,

 

[airhead]

Yes, the bible is a blatent rip-off of the 40k universe. And Heinlen (sp?) wrote Star Ship Troopers where he stole the idea of power armor and space marines fighting huge bugs (which actually was a pretty good read, decent board game, but a terrible movie).

 

[hakoMike]

Originally posted by airhead
(which actually was a pretty good read, decent board game, but a terrible movie).

Here, here. Loved the book for years. And viva la Avalon Hill, with the paper arachnid tunnel sheets. (I still have it, probably mouldering in my basement next to the AH game \"Gladiator\")

And everyone knows Tolkein totally ripped off Nethack. Totally.

 

[MPJ]

Originally posted by hakoMike

Originally posted by airhead
(which actually was a pretty good read, decent board game, but a terrible movie).

Here, here. Loved the book for years. And viva la Avalon Hill, with the paper arachnid tunnel sheets. (I still have it, probably mouldering in my basement next to the AH game \"Gladiator\")

And everyone knows Tolkein totally ripped off Nethack. Totally.

AH game Gladiator is one of my all time favorites and I am currently trying to figure out who has the rights to this game so I can try to buy them and re-release it, perhaps with some cool gladiator minis to go with.

And I loved the movie version of Starship Troopers. Sorry but it\'s true.

 

[vincegamer]

Originally posted by hakoMike

Originally posted by airhead And viva la Avalon Hill, with the paper arachnid tunnel sheets. (I still have it, probably mouldering in my basement next to the AH game \"Gladiator\")

If you ever want to sell that copy of Gladiator let me know.

 

[vincegamer]

Originally posted by MPJAH game Gladiator is one of my all time favorites and I am currently trying to figure out who has the rights to this game so I can try to buy them and re-release it, perhaps with some cool gladiator minis to go with.

I believe Gladiator was designed by Richard Hamblin (I don\'t have the game to check). If so, I can guess Mr. Hamblin does not know and Hasbro thinks they probably don\'t but it\'s not worth it to them to try to find out. I know because I\'ve looked into the copyright for Magic Realm - another RH design.

 

[stubert]

Originally posted by Swordwind
More or less everything in 40k is nicked from somewhere else.

yer cool thanks for that and everyone else who had a look, i thort that i would get no repleys cos its the bible thing :yawn:.

 

[Swordwind]

The Black Library book Necromancer is more or less Herbert West: Reanimator but set in the Warhammer world by way of example.

 

[MPJ]

So who is gonna release \"Holy Bible, miniature Wargame\"? If someone does will GW sue for copyright infringement? ???

 

[vincegamer]

I love the idea.
Bring your Israelites against the Canaanites. Moses is a 3000 point leader with the ability to instantly strike down the first member of every one of his opponent\'s units. . . .
Dark Age Games already did a Moses miniature in limited edition.

 

[stubert]

Originally posted by vincegamer
I love the idea.
Bring your Israelites against the Canaanites. Moses is a 3000 point leader with the ability to instantly strike down the first member of every one of his opponent\'s units. . . .
Dark Age Games already did a Moses miniature in limited edition.

cool that sounds like fun, ill allways be the good guys then lol cos the bad guys dont win :evil:

 

[finn17]

It\'s good commercial sense...

There are some great sounding names/concepts to be had and God isn\'t generally known to be too hot on IP infringement (in this life at least) unlike GW.

 

[philologus]

Yes 40K borrows alot from the Bible. Most of the Ecclesiarchy and vast administratum seem to be modeled upon Catholic hierarchy particularly with the latinesque \"gothic\" words/liturgy and the Inquisition. I have noticed recently though, after just re-reading the entire Dune series, that 40K owes alot of its imagery and themes to Frank Herbert. Some of the obvious things:

1. The Bene Gesserit Sisterhood is very much like the Sisters of Battle; especially the fact that the Orders Famoulous \"...role is to ensure that the Imperium\'s noble families work towards the ultimate good of mankind, brokering trade agreements, alliances and marriages between families.\" \"...their intimate knowledge of a families bloodlines can prove invaluable (to the Inquisition)\". This mirrors very closely the Bene Gesserit goal of seeing to the good and \"maturity\" of mankind through arranged marriages and recording bloodlines. Also the orders Dialogous specialize in languages which was a trait of Bene Gesserit training who\'s schools bear a striking resemblance to the Schola Progenium. The Ecclesiarchy maintains the Missionarus Galaxia which is uncannily similar to the Missionaria Protectiva. Hmmm.

2. In the Dune universe the spice is addictive, dangerous and necessary due to it\'s enhancement of human psychic abilities which are closely monitored by the Bene Gesserit and the priesthood of Arrakis. In 40K It is the psychic abilities which are necessary evils. Both worlds rely on their particular \"danger\" for space travel and communication.

3. The Emporer of the known universe (Dune) occupies a Golden Lion throne. Hmmm.

4. The Imperial elite troops (Sardaukar) were recruited from a very harsh \"deathworld\" (can anyone say Catachans?)

There are many more similarities that could fill an entire book. But you get the point.

 

[Swordwind]

Not to forget the Sadukar are brainwashed convicts, just like *drumroll* Space Marines.

The Tau carbines have a striking similarity to the laser thingy from Akira too.

 

[hubbabubba]

I also kinda liked Starship troopers the movie, While there\'s no doubt that it\'s cringe worthy at many points, Paul Verhoven (or whatever) is sadly misunderstood, does anyone think he doesn\'t know how cheesy showgirls was, its pastiche (or whatever)
and while we\'re at it, who\'s this Tolkien clown....