WH40K vs. Star Wars

[Chrispy]

It was bound to happen eventually.. A topic on Star Wars.. Now, I can here you groaning that Star Wars was out before 40K and thus the space marines look like that but I\'m just calling up the paralells.

For examle, power weapons are obviously Light sabers, but in 40k they can be shaped into knives, scimitars and axes. Inquisitors also mimic jedi in some respects. There\'s also an Emperor in both, but one\'s out of it and the other is evil.

If the galaxies were to fight, I beileve 40k would win.. Why? Exterminatus, psyk-out grenades, and space marines.. Has anyone else notice that white armor of strom troopers does didly in the movies? And a gainst laser weapons too! Sheesh..

There\'s also parallels to Frank Herbert\'s Dune.. Both Luke and Paul were brought up on desert planets, both of their parents defied tradition and were of noble blood. Again, there\'s an emperor. And again, I beileve a Fremen or at least a Sardukar could be more thatn a match for stormtroopers, gungans and the like.

I\'m not saying one is better (where\'s the 40k movies?) , I\'m looking at it tactically. I mean, all we can come up with in star wars in laser weapons? Give me a plasma weapon anyday, despite the big boom of overloading..

Lemme know what you think!

 

[ZaPhOd]

Marksmanship

Well, take into account that even the Empire\'s elite Stormtoopers couldn\'t hit the broad side of a barn with their blasters. Now lets talk about Star Trek and 40K. Sure, the sheer numbers of Marines is ludicrous, but phasers with their myriad settings and \"auto target lock ability\" would be sweet weapons... Not to mention shields, quantum torpedoes, Klingons and THE BORG
Hey, Kirk could drop kick any character from 40K, take his women and beam out before anyone knew the difference!

 

[languin]

Oh jeezus....chrispy you are one of the most die hard fanboys ive ever known.
Any way power weapons are not energy based weapons..they are metal based with some current or other energy conducting thru them.
As for being tough space marines blow....i mean they are the end result of 40,000 years of technology? what a joke.
Hell in 100 years we\'ll have stuff that would make 40k look primitive.
Hell if we make this a discussion on what genre can blast another i totally put my vote on the goddamn transformers!
No stinking worm, jedi or inquisitor can defeat the likes of Optimus prime or Megatron.:flame:

 

[No Such Agency]

This is hilarious. Arguably, it\'s fortunate that both WH40K and Star Wars armies are so well -armed, because both seem to use tactics straight out of WWI at best. Basically, even now modern warfare is developing away from the \"grunt rush\". The WH40K Empire at least has the excuse of having the brains to use heavy infantry in lower numbers, and being religious fanatics who don\'t care about anything. I guess the Stormtroopers were well brainwashed, but they still seemed to be part of a strategy of using large numbers of ill-trained and under-equipped oafs.

I think the answer to why Space Marines are so \"primitive\" is that it\'s a lot harder to wargame scenatios like asymmetric warfare, or the use of orbital weaponry against ground forces, or the use of extremely high-tech weaponry like nanotech, AI weapons systems etc. without unbalancing the game. But 2000 pt. vs. 2000 pt. mechanized infantry? A lot more do-able IMO.

 

[ZaPhOd]

What about Casper van Whatsisname?

Maybe it is just me, but Starship Troopers could very well have been the first 40K movie. Which is also funny, because they have the tech to travel FTL or at least blow the laws of Physics out of the water with their ships, but they still use projectile weapons that look amazingly like AR15s.... And how about that restistance to radiation that humans seem to have developed...

Good point about the strategy. And Franz, you are too right about the tech level. It is quite outdated. But then how long ago was 40K created? I mean Science Fiction itself has evolved just as fast or faster than our actual level of technology

 

[languin]

Well science fiction always has outpaced the times it was written in...
I cant believe you gave out the notion that star trek had any manly attributes...lord that entire universe is full of tutu wearing butt sniffers...yeah even the klingons! Those turtle headed boobs couldnt fight thier way outta wet paper bag.I hope they transport the lot of em inta a wall!

 

[Chrispy]

Well if that\'s true, were are my flying cars!? I was promised flying cars! It\'s amazing Krik didn\'t get a type of intergalatic clap.... could\'ve change the 70\'s as we know it... And another thing about Star Wars: Thank you Lucas for giving us the loudest ships ever, thus setting the standards (there is no sound in space, damn you!!!) And as for Transformers, it seems that kids with \'mini-cons\' can out smart them nowadays. My deepest curse to the person who made Transformers into Pokemon...

 

[ZaPhOd]

Now now

I know the new stinkign Trek dudes all wear dresses and talk first, shoot later, but the old ones? Come on...
Now the Intergalactic Clap, man, Bones would fix him up just for an extra day of shore leave! It is funny because Lucas and Larson were both responsible for noisy ships as well as lots of fire shooting out the back! Remember Galactica? How about Buck Rogers (the new series)... I remember this, becasue those funny white fighters they had in Buck Rogers had the same joystick fir button controls as the Vipers in Galactica.... Now there\'s some more Real men like Kirk! Starbuck? That guy rocked! They even let him smoke cigars in the fighters man!

 

[vincegamer]

I think power swords are more akin to the \"vibro blades\" of the old Gamma World RPG than to lightsabers.

Zaphod beat me to mentioning Starship Troopers, but I want to point out that the Viet-Nam era panzies in the movie would be squashed under the feet of the folks in the book. Drop ships? In the book you just dropped the individual soldiers onto the surface from geosyncronous (sp?) orbit ala paratroopers. They had to use infantry because they were tunnel fighting.
And the bugs - none of these acid spitting big mosquitos - we\'re talking 20 foot tall ants/spiders who drove mechanized moble artillery and had intergalactic space travel with planetary bombardment.

Transformers? Worse aim than stormtroopers.
Someone pointed out that over a couple generations of cloning you are bound to have decay, that\'s why stormtroopers are all nearsighted.

Battlestar Galactica! Tough hombres indeed, even if the tech wasn\'t.

How about Battletech?

 

[pitynoman]

you forgot fifth element and Judge Dredd

Both are great and FUNNY examples of the dark future/meets heavy metal 40k everyday living.Oh and flying cars!

 

[ZaPhOd]

YEah

Both movies absolutely rocked IMO. In that case, Blade Runner was totally of the same sort of deal, just less on the tech side than the former two!

 

[pitynoman]

ditto

Duh,...
I forgot Bladerunner.A little off topic \"The Blood of Heroes\" with Rutger Houer - Bloodbowl.

 

[finn17]

Omigod!

I\'m sorry, but ths is the saddest thread I\'ve ever had the misfortune to stumble across. Feel free to metaphorically kick my butt, but remember, my light sabre is bigger than your light sabre, so there!lol

 

[Chrispy]

Axtually, vincegamer there was a vibro-knife in 40k back in the old Rogue Trader days.. they were all stolen by Slaanesh cultists who thought they were something else.....

 

[Cenobyte]

pah.... ellen ripley would kick everyone\'s arse with a smart gun.

and when it comes to star war vs. 40k you forgot star wars mightiest special weapon - the ewoks!

 

[sam40k]

Oh No not ewoks, I can hear Khorne trembling in His boots right now, man those are some tough little guys .

 

[Chrispy]

Yeah, is it me or were there actually 5 ewok movies that were doomed?...

\"That guy\'s wise.\" \"More than I\'m short.\"

 

[Spanky]

alright heres my two cents...

My money is on the Thunderbirds! Bad a$$ puppets that could go darn near anywhere! Hey I saw Trilogy of Terror I know what an angry little dolly can do!

 

[ZaPhOd]

Finn

Man, it was the Schwartz... \"Your Schwartz is bigger than mine!\" - Spaceballs

 

[Chronique]

Funny...

It’s pretty funny that this subject should come up. Me and a bunch of friends and mine were just talking about a website we saw that pitted the Star Wars universe up against the Star Trek universe (yeah, the geeks were at each other’s throats). Despite the fact that everyone rational agreed that Star Wars was the superior choice, I stopped everyone and pointed out the comparison of BOTH of them against the Imperium would still lose. Here’s an excerpt from that email:

“…Here, I can quick quell this little debate. It\'s called \"The Empire and The Federation Put Together Still Get Their Assed Ruled By THE IMPERIUM: -My Universe Can Beat Up Your Universe The Website!\" End of story. \"What\'s that you say? The Federation has shields and phasers? Well, the Imperium has VOID SHEILDS and good old-fashioned ass-whoop cannons that run on gunpowder and LEAD. ...Oh yes? The Empire has thousands of worlds, each with millions of loyal Empire followers? Yeah, well I hate to bust your bubble, but THE IMPERIUM has MILLIONS OF WORLDS, with BILLIONS OF COUNTLESS INHABITANTS! Seas, indeed oceans of humanity to drown every single one of your stormtroopers like a troop of girl scouts! HA! Jedi? PLEASE! Don\'t waste my time! They are just a handful of psychers with powerswords! Stormtroopers? A weak excuse for the infinitely superior Adeptus Arbites(That can actually hit what they aim for, even around corners and up flights of stairs into closets, etc.)! The Borg? Well, they look indeed much like Thralls and tech servitors, but are lame and weak in their fighting capacity. Darth Vader? I’m sorry, but INQUISITOR HAND dwarfs him in size and in willpower, and would “psyche-choke” him at 20 paces, and leave his wee black boots trailing in the wind!
Blaster/Phaser? BOLTER/LASGUN.
Turbolaser/Phaser banks? NOVA CANNONS
Torpedo/Photon torpedo? PLANETARY SIEGE TORPEDOES THE SIZE OF BUSES.
Tie Fighter/Defiant? LIGHTNING STRIKE FIGHTER.
Clone Army? IMPERIAL GUARD.
Federation Security? IMPERIAL SPACE MARINES.
AT-ST/AT-AT\'s? TITAN LEIGONS.
Enterprise? IMPERIAL BATTLESHIP.
Executor Star Destroyer? BATTLE BARGE.
Death Star? MARS.
Q? THE EMPEROR OF MANKIND!

I would go on, but I don’t in fact have a website for which to extrapolate upon these ideas. Long story short, Imperium wins. End of discussion. We ARE the boss of you.”

He he. They all wrote back and replied something like “Well, when you put it that way…”