What about just pigment and water?

james9487

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Can you buy pigment powder and then add water yourself? Vallejo, GW, and all commercial paint has that gel stuff to keep if from drying out, but would it work if you could find pigment and mix it with water? The gel dilutes the paint as does the water, so we end up having to paint 5 really thin layers to get good coverage. Wouldn\'t it have awesome coverage and we wouldn\'t have to worry about painting it on too thick? I don\'t really know much about paint but this is something I have wondered. This might be stupid so bear with me. lol

-James
 

Einion

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Slight problem James - no binder. The binder is the \'glue\' that holds paint to a surface, pigments alone will just fall off.

One can make your own paint from dry pigments, I know a number of people who do this although none of them are modellers; I\'ve done this on a very limited basis to make my own metallics from aluminium and bronze powders on a job-by-job basis.

This can work out very economical and you are able to tailor the final product to your own tastes to a degree, but making good, workable acrylic/vinyl paint is among the more difficult types I\'m afraid and I wouldn\'t really recommend it - commercial acrylics are a blend of many ingredients including the pigment, acrylic or vinyl co-polymer emulsion, humectant, rheology modifier, anti-fungal agent, anti-foaming agent and so on.

If you want to try this I can give you a few URLs for where you can pick up dry pigments but I would recommend dispersions instead because many modern synthetics are difficult to wet with water by hand (although there are ways around this). Another possible problem is you\'d be buying colours like Cadmium Yellow Pale, Quinacridone Rose, Phthalo Blue GS so you\'d have to learn which pigment is what colour, plus there are no convenience mixtures like you might be used to in hobby paints.

Einion
 

finn17

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Well you can buy \'powder paint\'..

I guess most of us used that at school:flip:

I would think that is too coarse for our needs, but I wouldn\'t know for sure as I haven\'t done the experiment.

What would also concern me about trying this is the lightfastness of the pigment. There is nothing worse than watching your masterpiece fade away....:wow:
 

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Vallejo sell acrylic medium that I have mixed with MIG Powders to create a \'wet mud\' effect. The medium is also great at matting down inks and does help the paints to retain their coverage.

As for creating your own paints with fantastic coverage - I\'m sure Vallejo/ GW/ Reaper et al, will have tried a lot of stuff out before they came up with their \'recipes\'....
 

james9487

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Originally posted by Einion


...crylics are a blend of many ingredients including the pigment, acrylic or vinyl co-polymer emulsion, humectant, rheology modifier, anti-fungal agent, anti-foaming agent and so on....
Einion

That is interesting, I didn\'t know there was so much in the paints. I did have a thing of GW Red Gore that grew fungus/mold stuff, so maybe there wasn\'t enough of that anti-fungal agent in it. Thanks for the replies.

-James
 

Dragonsreach

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Wow Einion: I\'m seriously impressed!

Either you work in the paint industry or you are a scientist/painter.
 

Einion

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Originally posted by james9487
That is interesting, I didn\'t know there was so much in the paints.
They are a real chemical soup all right!

Originally posted by james9487
I did have a thing of GW Red Gore that grew fungus/mold stuff, so maybe there wasn\'t enough of that anti-fungal agent in it.
Yeah, that happens sometimes, if there are enough spores introduced they can overwhelm the fungicide. Best to avoid dipping a brush into the pot, always use a clean tool to transfer paint out, preferably metal or plastic.

Originally posted by Spacemunkie
Vallejo sell acrylic medium that I have mixed with MIG Powders to create a \'wet mud\' effect. The medium is also great at matting down inks and does help the paints to retain their coverage.
I like to make mud from Polyfilla tinted with paint (sometimes with a little sifted sand added for grittiness) it dries pale, just like real mud. That\'s how I did the mud on the back of this helmet. The damper areas were just touched in with washes/glazes of acrylic + gloss medium over the dried stuff.

Originally posted by Spacemunkie
As for creating your own paints with fantastic coverage - I\'m sure Vallejo/ GW/ Reaper et al, will have tried a lot of stuff out before they came up with their \'recipes\'....
That\'s very true. Smoothness, flow and brushability are important attributes of paints for the very fine finish we\'re seeking and too much pigment is actually its own problem. If the proportion of binder is not high enough you can get the dry paint lifting when you apply the next coat, although it would sure be nice to have greater opacity in some colours...

Originally posted by Dragonsreach
Wow Einion: I\'m seriously impressed!

Either you work in the paint industry or you are a scientist/painter.
Just lots and lots of research :)

Einion
 
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