What can you say about this?

airhead

Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
Originally posted by EricJ
what I\'m confused about, is that he\'s accused of \"making a videotape of sexual acts with minors\"... What does that mean?! Either there is a video or not, and it seems more like evidence of child molestation rather than the charge in itself. Of course if the tape has been made available then it\'s child pornography...but then \"accused\" seems a bit mild, since that it pretty sound proof of the act: there either is a video or not. If the police have the video, I think we can pretty much go straight to that he\'s charged with this act, rather than accussed.

In cases of child molestation/pornography, the question of extenuating circumstances, or motivations, or anything really, doesn\'t matter much, you either did it or you didn\'t, pretty black or white.

I cannot remember the lady\'s name, but she was in the porn business for a couple of years then walked into the studio and told everyone that it was her 18th birthday. Suddenly all of her movies were pulled from the shelves and she became a \"who?\" Somehow, she had been in the business for a couple of years as a minor. (fake ID?) And it was not the studios\' fault.

I do not know what went on with the guy in the article or what is on the tapes. If he knew that those girls were underage, he deserves everything that can happen to him. If they girls represented themselves as adults falsely, then the matter starts getting grayer.

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spazzy

New member
I believe that the American media today seems to be trying to get as close to \"yellow journalism\" or \"muckraking\" as possible without actually crossing that line. Interpretation of the freedom of speach and freedom of the press has gotten pretty broad. We have a few news stations here that will give the known facts of an incident, and then instead of moving on to the next story, the speculate on the possibilities and probibilities of what else could be happening with that one issue. Far from reporting simply the facts, I believe. I agree with Eric in that there is no perfect way to solve this. In the instance of protecting your children from sexual predators, there are steps that parents can take. First of all, if you contact your local state police department they will give you a listing of all the sex offenders in your zipcode. They will provide you with names, physical descriptions, date of birth, and address. They will also indicate whether the person is considered predatorial or not. If the individual is on probation, they will provide you with not the address, but the phone number for their parole officer. I requested this information when I was looking for a pre-school for our daughter, so that I would know if there was somebody in the neighborhood that I should be concerned about. In our state there is a law about how near a sex offender can live to a daycare or school, but it never hurts to check. I request this information once a year, so that I can also know if there is somebody living near places I freqent with our daughter. A parents best defence is an open line of communication with their children and to keep informed of their children\'s whereabouts, activities, and who they are with.
 

Zora

New member
The sad thing is...

I REALLY wanted to be a teacher. But the thought of EVER being falsely accused of something like abuse or misconduct would RUIN your life, just for the accusation alone, nevermind the actual facts.

I know that would devastate me emotionally if a child I was teaching accused me of any such thing.

Just the thought of that has kept me from ever pursuing the idea of being a teacher.

Sometimes society sucks...
 

petey

New member
Originally posted by airhead
Originally posted by Ebonbuddha
What can you say about this?
Innocent until proven guilty - except in child abuse cases where you have to spend a fortune to \"prove\" your innocence. I\'m sorry, but we are not privilege to the whole story here and it is very easy for a teen to shout rape/abuse in hopes of some publicity/money/who knows.

Sorry EB, I\'ve seen two cases of some kid wanting to get back at a teacher for a low grade and ruining the teacher\'s life. Innocent or guilty does not matter, they leave the school system either way. A lawyer flat told my friend that it would be a minimum of $10,000 to \'prove\' his innocence and even then there would be a shadow over him the rest of his life and he might as well find a new profession.

On the other hand, if he knowingly did this, he deserves to be thrown into a small cell with a big inmate.

Well, just shows how shitty the American justice system is.
 

EricJ

Active member
Originally posted by Zora
I REALLY wanted to be a teacher. But the thought of EVER being falsely accused of something like abuse or misconduct would RUIN your life, just for the accusation alone, nevermind the actual facts.

I know that would devastate me emotionally if a child I was teaching accused me of any such thing.

Just the thought of that has kept me from ever pursuing the idea of being a teacher.

Sometimes society sucks...

It\'s sad to say, but this is largely true. I have some friends who are teachers, and they say the sollution to the problem has literally become to never be 1 on 1 with a child, never create a situation where accusations can grow from. From their point of view it\'s not that big a thing really and just become somewhat standard. If you have to speak with a child 1 on 1, you do so in a clearly visible place. This way, false accusations are dismissed quick enough that the media never has a chance to grab onto it
 

supervike

Super Moderator
Originally posted by petey
Well, just shows how shitty the American justice system is. [/quote]

ZING!!

@ritual...I definately understand your point but I firmly believe that the public has a right to know what the government is up to. Once it becomes part of the official PUBLIC record, it should be open to report...That is part of the Freedom of the Press that is a vital part of it.
 

airhead

Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
Petey, you got a better system? I\'d be interested to hear it. No, it is not perfect.

The discussion however was on the press (after we derailed the thread). Vike, I agree that the public is entitled to know what is going on. But that is a far cry from the press editorializing issues and events or even worse - creating the news.
 

Ebonbuddha

Active member
Oh I agree. Even if he does, it will follow him forever.

Originally posted by airhead
I did not say you did EB, but he is going to have a hard time proving anything in court thanks to stories like this.

Vike, I agree. Had he been the local school janitor, it might have made the local paper.
 

Ebonbuddha

Active member
I will say this about American media. And I say this because I worked for them for four of the eight years I worked in television. The media writes stories to get viewers, or sell newspapers. One of my friends from Montreal said it beast;” I like reading American news because it is more exciting than Canadian news”.
 

EricJ

Active member
yeah, basically the media isn\'t telling the public what\'s happening in the world, rather the public tells the media what smut they want sensationalized, and in a country with 350million people, someone is always mollesting someone somewhere :(

cheery thought huh :(
 

dauber22

New member
I always thought this image summed up the American people (media viewers) quite well :D IT\'s from The Onion (post 9-11):


a_shattered_nation.jpg
 

Ritual

New member
@Supervike
Things that are public are public. It\'s there, in public records, for everyone to read if they want to... The media don\'t report everything that is public just because it\'s public. They don\'t report every single court hearing or every single official decision made by politicians or governmental institutions, they just pick out the \"juicy\" stuff that sells... And most people who read it see it as facts. Would you like to be given every single piece of public information just because it\'s public? You\'d have to spend your entire life reading papers... The press SHOULD report the things that are most vital for people to know. If someone is convicted for, let\'s say, child molesting, that is such information. Until said person is convicted he or she has the same rights to privacy and integrity as everybody else. Otherwise, the media has taken upon itself to deny certain individuals\' lawful rights as citizens. Even if the press is technically allowed to report these things, they should realise what impact it has for the people involved if they turn out to be innocent. Ethics is more than just following the rules to the letter!

@Eric
Maybe the courts aren\'t perfect. Maybe sometimes true criminals are freed of charge for various reasons (and it\'s not always the court that is to blame, it\'s often due to sloppy police work and such...). What would you have instead? Would you have media deciding who\'s guilty and who\'s not? Would you have a mob deciding? The courts are the institutions we have to decide whether someone is a criminal or not. Until the court has specifically said so, no one should be treated as a criminal. That is one of the very cornerstones of our society! The press is doing a damn fine job of pulling that cornerstone down!
 
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