What\'s the best way to paint fire/lava and hot/glowy things?
- Thread starter Garshnak
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could do with some more info on what you want realy like what sized hot glowy things you want to paint?
general rules however wpuld be to stick with reds, oranges and yellows for the most part and use white only spareingly . and remember that the hotest part of the flame/lava/crak in a balrogs skin will be the brightest/lightest
hawk
general rules however wpuld be to stick with reds, oranges and yellows for the most part and use white only spareingly . and remember that the hotest part of the flame/lava/crak in a balrogs skin will be the brightest/lightest
hawk
Flashman14
Member
in other words - you highlight backwards - the inner areas, the deepest recesses are the lightest (yellows) while the outside edges are the darkest (orange up to red).
Odd guess: only 35% of painted figs that feature flames in some way get this right.
Odd guess: only 35% of painted figs that feature flames in some way get this right.
Garshnak
New member
Oh, thanks. this will help me out.
But only one thing, if you grab a match and lighten it, what you mostly see is transparent blue from the inside and thats gradually going over into orange and then in yellow. Doesn\'t blue has to be an part on the flame of the mini?
And as for glowy things i mean a metal sword/axe, do you paint that just from metal color to metal/red mix to orange to yellow to white flatly? Because I did this once and it didn\'t look right.
(and this is about glowing not a flame, in a flame it lightens from the in to the out, but its still not white in the most inner part. For glowy things it\'s the opposite.)
Sorry for asking these stupid questions, but I just want to be sure about things before ruining a beautiful mini.
ps. :Isn\'t this a great example?
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But only one thing, if you grab a match and lighten it, what you mostly see is transparent blue from the inside and thats gradually going over into orange and then in yellow. Doesn\'t blue has to be an part on the flame of the mini?
And as for glowy things i mean a metal sword/axe, do you paint that just from metal color to metal/red mix to orange to yellow to white flatly? Because I did this once and it didn\'t look right.
(and this is about glowing not a flame, in a flame it lightens from the in to the out, but its still not white in the most inner part. For glowy things it\'s the opposite.)
Sorry for asking these stupid questions, but I just want to be sure about things before ruining a beautiful mini.
ps. :Isn\'t this a great example?
:flame:
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Evonine
Guest
To be completly honest, I\'m getting a little tired of hearing people say \"fire should always be painted this certain way\" Fire is definetly not always the same, although there are some principles that are generally true....if you can find a flame color/tempurature chart it may really help.
First off, remember that not all flame is orange/yellow. What color a flame is depends on what it is that is burning.
flame colors
Secondly, yes, glowing things will often be different than burning things. This is because the hottest part of a glowing thing is usually the center....the part that is the hottest is, in glowing things, the part furthest away from the cold.
I\'ve done a lot of studying flames, as a ceramics major in college (graduated 2 years ago) and it doesn\'t always look the way you would expect it to. Fire is effected by many things, including the amount of oxygen present. A low-oxygen fire looks much different than a high-oxygen fire.
First off, remember that not all flame is orange/yellow. What color a flame is depends on what it is that is burning.
flame colors
Secondly, yes, glowing things will often be different than burning things. This is because the hottest part of a glowing thing is usually the center....the part that is the hottest is, in glowing things, the part furthest away from the cold.
I\'ve done a lot of studying flames, as a ceramics major in college (graduated 2 years ago) and it doesn\'t always look the way you would expect it to. Fire is effected by many things, including the amount of oxygen present. A low-oxygen fire looks much different than a high-oxygen fire.
vincegamer
Active member
No. I will try to explain.
First, your second comment quoted above is not true. A fire (burning normal air at moderate temperature E) IS white in the center. But, it is white light, not white pigment. Pigment color is not the same as light color. The most obvious difference is if you mix all pigments together you get black (more olive if you ask me, but anyway). Black is a combination of all pigments. White is the absence of pigment. Black is the absence of light and white is the presence of all light colors. I\'m an unschooled amateur but that\'s the gist. Why don\'t you see white light in the center of a flame? Because white light is colorless so you see the color on the other side.
Now back to practicality. Blue is hot, but it\'s not a very strong color. It\'s there in a hot flame, but usually overpowered by the orange/yellow wavelengths. So, to answer your question, blue does not need to be there in a mini. White will be at the center of a painted flame/lava because our eyes see white and our brain says bright/hot.
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Evonine
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My point was less the science behind flame, and more the idea that it is not an exact thing.....let people paint flames the way they want to! I would absolutly love seeing someone tackle doing blue or green or pink flames! I myself don\'t have many flamy minis, but will be keeping that in mind for future projects....
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Garshnak
New member
Whoa!
I didn\'t expect so much (scientific)comments on my thread, thanks!
Now I can paint my new mini with the feeling that I\'m doing the right thing!
If you look at the hotlink in Evonine\'s post and look at the CCl flame you can see that it\'s green! so it\'s possible!
Ps. :
Could someone please place some posts on the thread: How Should I Paint My Dwarfs\' Skin?
http://http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=1162
It\'s completly empty.
I didn\'t expect so much (scientific)comments on my thread, thanks!
Now I can paint my new mini with the feeling that I\'m doing the right thing!
If you look at the hotlink in Evonine\'s post and look at the CCl flame you can see that it\'s green! so it\'s possible!
Ps. :
Could someone please place some posts on the thread: How Should I Paint My Dwarfs\' Skin?
http://http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=1162
It\'s completly empty
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Chrispy
Active member
I tend to disagree with some. Blue is in flame, but not if it\'s burning wood. For fantasy figs, then the best way is to use white or a light color in the center and go darker outwards. I also would try flourescent colors as they are more brighter than regular opaque colors.
But for SciFi, or dragons, the gas is always bluey at the source of the flame. Or sometimes it\'s clear and it only ignite further out into the air. Either way it slightly different.
If you really want a cool effect, try and make a clear resin cast and stick lights in it. This is how the best Balrog I\'ve ever seen was done (look in White Dwarf).
But for SciFi, or dragons, the gas is always bluey at the source of the flame. Or sometimes it\'s clear and it only ignite further out into the air. Either way it slightly different.
If you really want a cool effect, try and make a clear resin cast and stick lights in it. This is how the best Balrog I\'ve ever seen was done (look in White Dwarf).
