Whatever happened to Axebone?

[Sand Rat]

Well, I said I was going to stay out of the more theological aspects of this one, but as ususal, I cant keep my big mouth shut, so bear with me please?

I for one think that if this is what axebone wants, then I support his descision 100%. Its his life, and his choice after all.

But what I still take issue with, almost twenty years after leaving my home town is protylizers who will not take leave me the hell alone as an answer. I was raised Episcopalian - Catholic Light, Left Handed Catholic, or the bleeding C of E if you prefer - and in a fairly liberal group for the time and place I grew up (Waco Texas in the 1970\'s and 1980\'s). Yet, because I had not seen the Pure Light of Southern Baptism, I was on a pathway strait to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200 for a handbasket ticket. As if this were not bad enough, the locals would not accept that 1. I had a church to go to, 2. My salvation was taken care of, and 3. No means No, especially my high school classmates who seemed to go through a revelation of their special uniqueness to God at least once a week, if not once a day. More important was their need to spout their New Found Revelations to those of us unwashed heathens who happened to be handy.

I\'m not sure, but this is probably the same issue most people have with the newly revealed - the need they seem to have to talk about the new guy in their life 24/7.

As for me, I\'m now a dietic Darwinist. Go figure. lol

 

[airhead]

Originally posted by Avicenna
Because the foundation of all true religions is a path to the same end. In my mind they are (on a very base level)cultural divergences on the fundamental truthes of life. So in essence no matter what religion one person practices, if they are true to themselves and have love in their heart they will most likely be following the same path as you. So I dont think there is a true religion... the truths are in us - religion can only be a guide.

just my thoughts

-Peter

Peter, I respect your thoughts, but almost all relegions will say you are wrong. As a Christian, I can say that there is one & only one way into the kingdom of God (Heaven).

Living a good life will not get you into heaven - even a \"good\" life does not stack up to perfection. Going to church will not get you into heaven. Doing good works will not get you into heaven .

Lost? I can help & show you the way (old name for Christianity - \"The Way\"). Ask.

 

[t_haye2]

cool, i\'m going to hell. i\'ll say hi to Elvis....

 

[Sand Rat]

Originally posted by t_haye2
cool, i\'m going to hell. i\'ll say hi to Elvis....

You\'ll be in good company probably - me, I\'m gonna have them download my memories into a computer and shoot me into deep space as an explorer I think.

 

[Smoth]

Originally posted by Avicenna
Because the foundation of all true religions is a path to the same end. In my mind they are (on a very base level)cultural divergences on the fundamental truthes of life. So in essence no matter what religion one person practices, if they are true to themselves and have love in their heart they will most likely be following the same path as you. So I dont think there is a true religion... the truths are in us - religion can only be a guide.

But I must agree with you that in some way, one should be flattered by people trying to convert oneself. But it is the forceful nature of some of it that gets peoples hackles up. If you convert someone in such a way then they may be doing it out of other concerns rather than truly finding God in themselves.

just my thoughts

-Peter

following your heart gets you this. (clickk the link)

Back onto the topic!

Does anyone know where I can see axebone\'s work at?

Aside from that you can almost bet that he burned and/or threw away his work. Most people who go fanatic tend to do things like this. Odds are axebone will burn his D&D and minis to purge it from his life. Then later he will probably move on.

You guys have probably seen this yourselves. people who say they are born again and the lord will provide... blah, blah, etc. However, when times get hard alot of these extremeist like axebone drop their religon and go for whatever is easiest.

So, lets keep this on topic. What happened to Axebone. Anyone have any idea why he made the radical change?

 

[barkel]

point of clarification

OK, well I agree that a person can witness in a bad way. I think it is acceptable for a person to approach you in public and witness their beliefs. However, I don\'t think it is very effective. I question whether these ministers actually convert more people than they push away. I actually heard one public forum minister tell a student at my college that he was going to pray to God that the student would have failure in his life until he repented, or something like that. That is so unchristian I cannot even begin to express my disappointment. Basically he was cursing the student. However, freedom of speach works for these folks as well.

Now, those people that come to your house and knock on your door I do not agree with. This is an invasion of privacy. I am a Christian and it annoys me to listen to their speal. I don\'t think this is effective at all, and I don\'t think this is what Jesus intended.

However, I am certain that witnessing at the end of a sword is wrong, wrong, wrong! Any rational, literate person who reads the Bible will find love, freedom, acceptance, and grace in it\'s pages. At worst the Bible tells us if a person does not repent and change their ways we are to cast them out of our lives, and that is only when their offense is so heinous as to be detrimental to our personal walk or our Christian community. But nowhere will you find a statement that says, if they refuse Jesus then burn them at the stake. No where will you find a statement that says if they do not repent then they are no longer deserving of God\'s love.

I personally believe a witness should be a personal move. I have mostly only witnessed to friends at the time I felt called to do so. Those who rebuffed I did not alienate. I simply chose to let my life speak for my religion. On the few occasions where I have witnessed to strangers it was because the opportunity presented itself as perfect.

barkel

ps. Most religions are based on their belief of Truth. In other words, ultimate truth. We cannot all be right and disagree. You cannot say that I am right, even though it is completely the opposite of what you say is right. Surely you see that this is ridiculous. Perhaps we should say, \"I do not agree with you, but I respect your right to believe what you believe.\"

 

[airhead]

Barkel, I had a pastor say \"Witness at all times, if necessary use words.\" Sums up what you said nicely. Stuff I try to live by.

 

[Prophet]

Because the foundation of all true religions is a path to the same end. In my mind they are (on a very base level)cultural divergences on the fundamental truthes of life. So in essence no matter what religion one person practices, if they are true to themselves and have love in their heart they will most likely be following the same path as you. So I dont think there is a true religion... the truths are in us - religion can only be a guide.
-Peter

Yes and no. Although many religions do share remarkable fundamental similarities, there are irreconcilable differences. For example, looking at the three major western religions, christians believe Jesus is the messiah and divine. Jews believe Jesus was not the messiah. They can\'t both be right. Islam directly says there is no trinity, Jesus is not divine, and was never crucified. Christianity is based on the belief that the divine Jesus was crucified for mankinds\' sins. They can\'t both be right. Many religions teach that the ability to reach paradise, a higher plane, etc in the afterlife is based on one\'s own merits but christianity, for example, teaches that only through god\'s unmerited grace can heaven be reached. Both philosophies can\'t be right. Maybe neither is. Unfortunately the only people who can confirm this are dead. A lot of help they are...

 

[Avicenna]

no, no, thats not what I am trying to say.

I believe that the fundamental truths in all true religion are the same. What man has done to it in order to gain power over others, to gain popularity and score points is where the differences arise. The stories and the people involved are but actors on a stage, there to guide us to the truth.

A truth that is within us all, waiting to be found and not bound to one particular faith.

Many religions teach that the ability to reach paradise, a higher plane, etc in the afterlife is based on one\'s own merits but christianity, for example, teaches that only through god\'s unmerited grace can heaven be reached

Aaaah yes... the whole guilt thing... I have problems with controlling people with guilt - making them feel that they are not worthy from the moment they are born... just sounds a bit wrong to me...

(and again, I applaud the civility with which this conversation progresses)

 

[ZeCorto]

Originally posted by Smoth

following your heart gets you this. (clickk the link)

Smoth, this is scary! I had a look at the site and got more and more appaled by what people will still believe in, for example : When to stone your children

I\'m very afraid of religious fanatics, that is why I deeply distrust religion. How can anybody say \'I am right and you are wrong, God looks like [insert description here], not like [insert description from another religion]\'? What makes you so sure, and how come you are so much smarter than the rest?

Funnily enough, most of the people I love best are deeply religious, but I am afraid of religion. Still, I respect their opinion because I do not myself hold proof that god does not look like [insert description here].

 

[Avicenna]

Originally posted by airhead
Lost? I can help & show you the way (old name for Christianity - \"The Way\"). Ask.

If that is a sincere offer, I thank you. I have been brought up a Catholic and still have a Christian slant to my faith, but I am doing ok on the faith front. I am at ease with my relationship with God.

But thank you

-Peter

 

[dauber22]

I\'ve been reading this topic avidly though I haven\'t posted. I feel no particular need to convince anyone here of my beliefs nor deny them theirs. However, I really have to agree whole-heartedly with Avicenna:

The civillity and conscideration with which this volatile topic has been treated - by all parties involved - is incredible!

I think we all deserve a pat on the back

 

[barkel]

interesting

ZeCorto said:

\"I\'m very afraid of religious fanatics...\"

Ooh. Me too. I\'ve known a couple (emphasis on the past tense). I believe in my heart that God was telling me to separate myself from them far more than he ever did with any atheist or polytheist.

\"How can anybody say \'I am right and you are wrong, God looks like [insert description here], not like [insert description from another religion]\'? What makes you so sure, and how come you are so much smarter than the rest?\"

This is funny. But I think it is important to realize that there is a difference theology and triviality. What Jesus said is a matter of theology. How Jesus looked is a matter of triviality. Anyone who makes a big deal about how God looks is terribly misguided in their zeal. And yes, I say this as a value judgement.

I personally think that everyone has a religion. Your religion is how you live. If you are atheist you are basing your life around your faith in no-god, just as much as I base mine life around my faith in God. What you chose to focus your life on is what you worship. If you spend the majority of your time in pursuit of money, then money is what you worship. If you spend that time watching football, then football is what you worship.

barkel

 

[Gypsy]

Originally posted by ZeCorto

Originally posted by Smoth

following your heart gets you this. (clickk the link)

Smoth, this is scary! I had a look at the site and got more and more appaled by what people will still believe in, for example : When to stone your children

That whole site\'s a parody! ...or not?

 

[Herb the bitter]

Originally posted by dauber22
I\'ve been reading this topic avidly though I haven\'t posted. I feel no particular need to convince anyone here of my beliefs nor deny them theirs. However, I really have to agree whole-heartedly with Avicenna:

The civillity and conscideration with which this volatile topic has been treated - by all parties involved - is incredible!

I think we all deserve a pat on the back

I\'m with you dauber.

I once (unintentionally) offended a religious phone solicitor so much with my views on prayer in schools that he hung up on me. Not very Christian of him in retrospect as he did call me. But anyway makes me worry what I could do if I was trying.

All this talk of religion has gotten me thinking. Does anyone know(Brits in particular) if you can get \"Dave Allen at Large\" on DVD? Always enjoyed his religious skits/humor. And no, I\'m not that old, they just used to show reruns on PBS here.

 

[dauber22]

Originally posted by Herb the bitter
And no, I\'m not that old, they just used to show reruns on PBS here.

Didn\'t you know ??? That\'s what PBS stands for: Pilfered British Stuff lol

 

[supervike]

uhm....

Originally posted by steelcult

As for me, I\'m now a dietic Darwinist. Go figure. lol

Does this mean you only eat creatures that have evolved or believe in evolution???

 

[Grizzix]

there are hundreds of churches in my area. i live in the buckle of the bible belt. you can go through one town and see 5 to 10 southern baptist churches. why is it that these churches cant get together and make one big church? ill tell you why. Each church preacher, minister, leader,etc. . . is trying to get more worshipers than the other churches leader. this all boils down to proffit. our souls are in the hands of mortal men who are fighting for a bigger slice of the monetary pie. who is in a better position to tell me how i should live my life? the guy/girl in the nice suit driving the nice car that stands behind a podium once a week, or the bum wearing rags that lives the hard life every day.

 

[Evil Dave]

Originally posted by supervike

Originally posted by steelcult

As for me, I\'m now a dietic Darwinist. Go figure. lol

Does this mean you only eat creatures that have evolved or believe in evolution???

I\'m a Dyslexic Atheist...I don\'t believe in dog.

 

[Herb the bitter]

Originally posted by dauber22

Originally posted by Herb the bitter
And no, I\'m not that old, they just used to show reruns on PBS here.

Didn\'t you know ??? That\'s what PBS stands for: Pilfered British Stuff lol

I\'m just amazed that I\'ve never heard that before as it makes perfect sense. I\'ll have to steal it. Oh wait, this is a religious thread, I mean \"borrow\" it.