generulpoleaxe
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it depends if you include events where people regulary cheat to win.
open enough for you nigel
Where do you think has the hardest and easiest Golden Daemon?
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it depends if you include events where people regulary cheat to win.
open enough for you nigel
Avelorn
Sven Jonsson
The most prestigous one to win, for me anyway, is UK as it was the first. Especially the SS in UK. But the quality depends on how many of the continental painters that can afford to travel. France single 40k has been some of the toughest of the lot on several occations with top 10\'s that would have won gold on other venues. UK Open... is most often insane. Spain is always tough as spain has a wide range of phenomenal painters who seem to enter each year.. Italian as well but it is also more dependent on who\'s travelling there I think.
The easiest is where there are few people that enter, some categories in some american events only have a couple so that would be it. But single 40k in U.S. say Chicago can easily beat out one in UK and so on... again depends who\'s entering what.
The easiest is where there are few people that enter, some categories in some american events only have a couple so that would be it. But single 40k in U.S. say Chicago can easily beat out one in UK and so on... again depends who\'s entering what.
demonherald
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I think the can of worms needs opening but my only thought is how.....
I guess it all depends on where you are in the world .. I could take the easy route and say that the Oz demons are the hardest .. couple of reasons .. one the travelling for most people ... but the main one the fact that they still do store elimination and pre selection which means an entry is going through a small judging process to start which can eliminate some models that are just not in the taste of the people judging.... also it means a longer stay is needed for people who aren\'t native to enter so in that respect Aussie is the hardest....
in terms of technicality and straight forward level of competition all the GD\'s are pretty much a crap shoot.. I too will side with Sven that the UK is one of the hardest and not with any kind of Bias but due to the fact that out of all the demons throughout the world the UK is the only one that cannot be classified as having a \"style\" .. The difference between entries can be just so staggering compared to others and I think that is mainly down to it having the largest numbers of competitors . I think also because it is a UK product and the writers designers and creators are included in the judging panel then the background and story element becomes more focussed than the painting technique but there can be so many ways to interpret that that anything can come up..
Take France ... where the comp has a more open / historical feel where lighting and colour selection are key to getting the judges thumbs up. A certain style of painting has developed and this becomes paramout to getting success.Throw in the fact that the open invites the chance to win the sword and that becomes the main focus of the event . scratch buildings are found more in the French comp than any other.
Spain similar but the Spanish entries a lot of the time focus on sombre and more natural pallettes.. Open up the thumbnail page on the spanish site for last years results and you will see an overall colour tone to pretty much the whole selection..This has a lot to do with the strong bonds within the spanish painting community
The italian GDs show a preference towards freehand and detailed pieces with a slightly more artistic flair and fantasy element.. mainly due to the painting styles of a small group who regularly attend driving the comp that way.
The German comp seems to go through real ups and downs in terms of standards and style but overall the use of many and varied colours seems to lend itself well.
The American and Canadian comps are in their relative infancy and the smaller numbers again show a ertain style develop but they also show that with smaller numbers attending sometimes a simple but out of the box idea can produce the goods ad at times there are some amazing thigs .. I think it was chicago last year when a lot of big names clashed they are also the only comp where a marine riding a carnosaur would turn up.. (and that isn\'t a crit just a point)...
I think the Polish event will see a big upturn after it\'s first year as there are so many painters popping up there now it\'s unreal.
The next big one .. and it will happen will be in Japan.. GW is already openig up stores in tokyo and plan more as it is being taken with masssive enthusiasm there.. apparently the guys wear white gloves for movig miis aroud to protect them and a commentator shouts out what is happening in the current game beig played over a loudspeaker into the streets .. and considerig there are japanese artists that can paint a portrait on a grain of rice one cannly dool about what they\'ll do with a mini to work on...
in short all the events are dependant on who actually enters . but right now at this very moment if I was gonna choose a GD that would be the hardest for me to personally gain a demon in I would say France because it is different to my own style and easiest I would have to go with UK because A) I\'ve won something before and B) it is the one I am most familiar with .. but in any of them there is no guaranteed sure thing...
there we go .. wow that was fecking long.. not even gonna bother checking for mistakes as there will be loads.
I guess it all depends on where you are in the world .. I could take the easy route and say that the Oz demons are the hardest .. couple of reasons .. one the travelling for most people ... but the main one the fact that they still do store elimination and pre selection which means an entry is going through a small judging process to start which can eliminate some models that are just not in the taste of the people judging.... also it means a longer stay is needed for people who aren\'t native to enter so in that respect Aussie is the hardest....
in terms of technicality and straight forward level of competition all the GD\'s are pretty much a crap shoot.. I too will side with Sven that the UK is one of the hardest and not with any kind of Bias but due to the fact that out of all the demons throughout the world the UK is the only one that cannot be classified as having a \"style\" .. The difference between entries can be just so staggering compared to others and I think that is mainly down to it having the largest numbers of competitors . I think also because it is a UK product and the writers designers and creators are included in the judging panel then the background and story element becomes more focussed than the painting technique but there can be so many ways to interpret that that anything can come up..
Take France ... where the comp has a more open / historical feel where lighting and colour selection are key to getting the judges thumbs up. A certain style of painting has developed and this becomes paramout to getting success.Throw in the fact that the open invites the chance to win the sword and that becomes the main focus of the event . scratch buildings are found more in the French comp than any other.
Spain similar but the Spanish entries a lot of the time focus on sombre and more natural pallettes.. Open up the thumbnail page on the spanish site for last years results and you will see an overall colour tone to pretty much the whole selection..This has a lot to do with the strong bonds within the spanish painting community
The italian GDs show a preference towards freehand and detailed pieces with a slightly more artistic flair and fantasy element.. mainly due to the painting styles of a small group who regularly attend driving the comp that way.
The German comp seems to go through real ups and downs in terms of standards and style but overall the use of many and varied colours seems to lend itself well.
The American and Canadian comps are in their relative infancy and the smaller numbers again show a ertain style develop but they also show that with smaller numbers attending sometimes a simple but out of the box idea can produce the goods ad at times there are some amazing thigs .. I think it was chicago last year when a lot of big names clashed they are also the only comp where a marine riding a carnosaur would turn up.. (and that isn\'t a crit just a point)...
I think the Polish event will see a big upturn after it\'s first year as there are so many painters popping up there now it\'s unreal.
The next big one .. and it will happen will be in Japan.. GW is already openig up stores in tokyo and plan more as it is being taken with masssive enthusiasm there.. apparently the guys wear white gloves for movig miis aroud to protect them and a commentator shouts out what is happening in the current game beig played over a loudspeaker into the streets .. and considerig there are japanese artists that can paint a portrait on a grain of rice one cannly dool about what they\'ll do with a mini to work on...
in short all the events are dependant on who actually enters . but right now at this very moment if I was gonna choose a GD that would be the hardest for me to personally gain a demon in I would say France because it is different to my own style and easiest I would have to go with UK because A) I\'ve won something before and B) it is the one I am most familiar with .. but in any of them there is no guaranteed sure thing...
there we go .. wow that was fecking long.. not even gonna bother checking for mistakes as there will be loads.
See i don\'t know about Japan. I wasn\'t able to find any 40K stuff when i was there. Only fantasy. I personally think that Japan has enough \"hobbies\" that GW will be fighting an uphill battle to get into the culture.
I think the easiest Golden Daemon to win would be Australia. Sure there have been some good entries coming out recently, but by large, the field is not up to the level of any of the European or American GDs.
I think the easiest Golden Daemon to win would be Australia. Sure there have been some good entries coming out recently, but by large, the field is not up to the level of any of the European or American GDs.
Infidel Castro
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I\'d say it\'s more a case of which is the highest standard as opposed to which is the easiest. As has been mentioned already, there are so many variables it\'s unreal. If you\'d asked which was the highest standard, there would be less wormage involved. Wormie worms!
Dr. Tachyon
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UK GD because everyone wants to win at that one. That\'s why we have all the foreign teams/individuals entering (beat the native country at it\'s own compy).
Bloody foreigners, painting our miniatures, winning our daemons ...
Bloody foreigners, painting our miniatures, winning our daemons ...
paintingploddy
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I don\'t think there is such a thing as an easy GD. Some categories are weak and give you a better chance to win. Oz GD probably does give you a good chance but you still aren\'t going to win without well painted figures and you have to pay your way down here and pick some of the weaker categories - there is more than enough talent to make competition in the marquee categories tough.
Well, yet another pointless discussion. Please, define \"easiest\" or hardest for this matter. The complexity of techniques used and the artistic level is on average higher in UK and France.
But as for American ones being \"easiest\" I think people who said this should stop talking the talk and start walking. I just checked it, just for the fun of it, a ticket from Madrid to London cost as much as or actually more than the one from Madrid to Washington DC.
How about people who believe that Americans demons are that easy come here and show us how it is done?.
But as for American ones being \"easiest\" I think people who said this should stop talking the talk and start walking. I just checked it, just for the fun of it, a ticket from Madrid to London cost as much as or actually more than the one from Madrid to Washington DC.
How about people who believe that Americans demons are that easy come here and show us how it is done?
.generulpoleaxe
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natalya did lol
just joking mate, nothing serious ment.
just joking mate, nothing serious ment.
junior elf
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By hardest I mean the one with the highest technique standard
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donga666
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There is no such thing as an \'easy\' demon, which ever one you enter will be difficult. Be it Madrid, Paris, Birmingham or Atlanta, they will ALL be technically excellent.
As has been said before style is the only differance, not technical ability. Thanks to sites like this everyone has access to a vast pool of knowledge.
So this debate, although valid, is pointless.
As has been said before style is the only differance, not technical ability. Thanks to sites like this everyone has access to a vast pool of knowledge.
So this debate, although valid, is pointless.
Necroghast
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Baltimore! I don\'t know if it\'s easy or hard or if those clasifications don\'t actually mean anything, but it\'s the only one I\'ve been to so Baltimore!
Hi there,
I have only been to a couple of different gamesdays so my own experience is very limited, but I think I would have to go with the UK one being one of the hardest.
The sheer number of competitors in the UK GD together with the fact that it seems like it’s got the most prestige associated with it makes it a tough one. Painters do come from all over the world to the UK GD and bring some of the best painted miniatures here is with them in the hope of getting a statue. So from that point of view I would say it’s the hardest.
From what I’ve seen online though I would have to say that the French GD has the most consistently high standard of painted miniatures in the cabinets. At least 90% of the entries at the UK GD are “also rans” (mine included) with the owner hoping for a win rather than a genuine belief they deserve it. I’m also sure some people just enter anything to get in the doors early.
The only other GD I’ve personally been to was the Atlanta one in 2007 (they didn\'t hold one there this year as far as I can make out) and there were a couple of categories where the *were* only three entries, so that’s your bronze silver and gold right there.
Cheers
Vogon
I have only been to a couple of different gamesdays so my own experience is very limited, but I think I would have to go with the UK one being one of the hardest.
The sheer number of competitors in the UK GD together with the fact that it seems like it’s got the most prestige associated with it makes it a tough one. Painters do come from all over the world to the UK GD and bring some of the best painted miniatures here is with them in the hope of getting a statue. So from that point of view I would say it’s the hardest.
From what I’ve seen online though I would have to say that the French GD has the most consistently high standard of painted miniatures in the cabinets. At least 90% of the entries at the UK GD are “also rans” (mine included) with the owner hoping for a win rather than a genuine belief they deserve it. I’m also sure some people just enter anything to get in the doors early.
The only other GD I’ve personally been to was the Atlanta one in 2007 (they didn\'t hold one there this year as far as I can make out) and there were a couple of categories where the *were* only three entries, so that’s your bronze silver and gold right there.
Cheers
Vogon
