Why paint NMM

Talion

New member
I\'ve been paint for a good number of years now, and I\'ve never come across the miniatures using NMM.....It\'s probably because I\'m a bit of a GW nut. I\'m just wondering why everyon is obsessed with NMM......I admit the outcome is pretty good, but I think they look a bit like comics when painting in this style. Thats all really just wanted to know why people like this style so much :innocent:
 

Rab

Member
I\'m in the same position as you Talion, I didn\'t even know what NMM was until recently :)

I think people do it for a variety of reasons:
It looks cool when it\'s done well.
It\'s a bit of a challenge learning a new technique.
Some people like the \'comic book\' feel that it imparts.
It\'s new and shiny.

I remember when GW first introduced their inks, suddenly everyone was putting ink washes on everything, I know I was :)

Personally I\'m not that keen on the look on NMM, I admire the skill required in making it look good and the time and effort required to reach that level, but I think the technique is better applied to 2D images.

Maybe it\'s because I\'ve spent so long airbrushing Alclad and applying Bare Metal Foil to model cars but I like metal to look like metal.

Rab
 

supervike

Super Moderator
I just likes it....

I think you hit on all the major reasons.

After the obvious reasons that it \'looks cool\' I think the technical challenge appeals to many painters.

There have been numerous threads discussing the merits of NMM with some very good points/counterpoints. It may be worth a search to check it out....;)
 

Talion

New member
I can see the technical ability needed to be able to pull off a sucessful looking metallic feel, and if succesfully achieved it is something to be proud of.
I\'m not sure it\'s something I would like to try, like Rab has mentioned it looks a bit to 2D. I find the use of inking and subtle highlights can take the shine off of most metallic paints giving a more realistic look.

Maybe one day I\'ll dabble in the NMM pool.
:D
 

axil110

New member
To me it seems that NMM is the current hot fashion in miniature painting. Someone came up with the idea and a few very talented painters did some great examples of it. Now everyone is on the band wagon and your miniature is judged, by some, as somehow inferior if you haven\'t used the latest NMM technique. Somewhat like the latest fashion in clothes, whatever that is :)

I personally quite like the look of it. Very skilled painters can really show off what they can do using it. It\'s well beyond my meagre abilities however. Like all art I guess it\'s down to each individual whether they really like it or not.
 

finn17

New member
Hi again!! My name is still Troy McLure...

Hi...My name\'s Troy McClure and you might also want to check out such Forum threads such as:

http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=1757

http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=1634

And the excellent Chrispy articles:

http://www.coolminiornot.com/go.php?go=articlephp&aid=54&orderby=date&levels=99

http://www.coolminiornot.com/go.php?go=articlephp&aid=191

There are more articles in the \'articles section\' if you would like to investigate further
 

axil110

New member
Oh dear. I just scanned some of those other threads:eek: Discussing NMM is a bit like kicking a hornets nest. Some rather heated discussions in there.

I think I\'ll just duck and run for cover at this point.:(
 

finn17

New member
You must be psychic...

Originally posted by axil110
Oh dear. I just scanned some of those other threads:eek: Discussing NMM is a bit like kicking a hornets nest. Some rather heated discussions in there.

I think I\'ll just duck and run for cover at this point.:(
I took some mild stick for one of my statements in those threads:

And then I think that people who cover themselves with jam and chuck bricks at a bees nest should be prepared for the consequences.

Do I detect a bee/hornet nesty motif here?:D
 

DennisMech

New member
Originally posted by finn17
Hi...My name\'s Troy McClure and you might also want to check out such Forum threads such as:

http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=1757

http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=1634

And the excellent Chrispy articles:

http://www.coolminiornot.com/go.php?go=articlephp&aid=54&orderby=date&levels=99

http://www.coolminiornot.com/go.php?go=articlephp&aid=191

There are more articles in the \'articles section\' if you would like to investigate further

oh I love Troy Maclure, the guy who did his voice did the voices for all my favorite characters. When he died they all had to be \"retired\", so sad:(
 

farseerlum

New member
trying it at least a couple of times gives you better understanding of your skill!

it is a very practical way to learn about lightsourcing, reflection and relationship between the viewer and the model.

it stretches your skills to places you wouldn\'t normally go. giving better brushwork skills and paint control.

most importantly it teaches you to deconstruct a object looking for tone, shade differences and texture.
these skills are just as appropriate for normal painting. they aren\'t lost just because your painting a normal color.

as for fashion there is also the sheer clothing \"fad\" and the lightsourceing \"fad\".
they are skills and teqhniques worth the effort of learning, nothing more.
 

aon14

New member
Personally, I feel NMM is a waste of effort.
UNLESS you want to impress with a photo rather than the miniature itself.
If you want to sell stuff on ebay then you want to look into NMM.
If you want to play games with the figures then you\'ll get a lot more painted using metallics AND they\'ll very likely look better on the table.

When you take a photo of a figure, you reduce a 3d thing to 2d.
The inherent weaknesses of NMM are far less apparent.
99% of figures look good + in a photo with NMM will look rather weird on the table and even weirder in a unit.

I reckon it\'s the vogue for unfeasibly large weapons is what attracted people to NMM.
You have an acre or so of axe or whatever to paint with SOMETHING...

People who want to argue about painting techniques need to get out more.

All IMO and YMMV.
 

supervike

Super Moderator
Um....

Originally posted by aon14

People who want to argue about painting techniques need to get out more.

Isn\'t that what you are doing? Arguing about painting techniques?

I think you have some very valid points, and I have heard/read similar arguments as well. I certainly think it is something worth discussing.

But to dismiss people who discuss such things weakens your entire post.

There is nothing wrong with arguing, as long as it is kept civil and in context.

Of course I could be wrong. That does happen from time to time.....

;)
 

abstracity

New member
Hi, I\'m Troy McClure, you may remember me from threads like \"NMM sucks a$$\" or \"Metallic Paints are the last pitiful remnant of the old days and old washed-up, has-been suckhole painters\".

Sorry, couldn\'t resist the McClure bit...

For myself, I\'ve done a good deal of NMM stuff at this point and think that it works well...on the table and off (I never can understand why people think a well painted mini looks wierd...ever...). That said, I\'m coming to the end of my efforts with the technique...I feel I\'ve learned it and now I can do some other stuff. I\'ll likely use it on mini\'s in the future, but I like to bounce around a lot with the mini\'s I paint and the techniques I use....otherwise things get boring.

I just finished a goblin warlord the other day in metallics and he look superb! I\'m happier with him than I\'ve been with any mini\'s in a good, long time...

I\'ll be trying to push my standards in metallics now...and lightsourcing (that just makes magical weapons jump right out at ya!!) it\'s something I\'ve been thinking of for quite a while...
 
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ZeCorto

Guest
NMM looking weird

That\'s when your NMM is not very good, otherwise it looks quite nice, even IRL. I\'m not talking about MY NMM, which looks weird any way you look at it, but about things I\'ve seen done by my betters.
I might agree that it\'s not worth the effort, but do not judge the technique on a bad execution. I would say that the main reason to paint NMM is to show you can do it. I\'d do it if I could, because details stand out more and you have better control over what your metals look like.
 

farseerlum

New member
i really don\'t see how learning a new technique is a waste of time. even if you never intend to use it.

if nothing else it will give better insight to judge the technique when used by others.

its popularity should have nothing to do with it.
if i started a thread saying layering was a stupid idea when drybrushing is obviously quicker then how would that be recieved.

oh yeah and arguments are a lot of loud opinions.
shhh quiet opinions only! :p
 
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i am one of those who didn\'t even know NMM existed untill recently! likewise its because of being a GW fan.

i personally think the technique is quality! But it can only be appreciated if it is carried out effectively and im sure this is developed with experience. i for one have not tried it myself but im sure it is just a another \'rung on the the ladder\' of mini painting that painters progress towards.

i look forward to developing my art by adding this rung to my ladder.
 

supervike

Super Moderator
I\'m not following you....

Originally posted by aon14
Errrm...
No.
I simply stated my opinion.

Sorry, don\'t mean to keep at this point, but...

Are you saying that when other people discuss NMM or any painting techniques, that they \"should get out more\", but when you discuss the same thing, it is simply stating your opinion?

I just don\'t understand the difference between having an opinion about a topic, and arguing about it.

Like I said, you have many valid points to your argument...er I mean opinion....;)
 

Mengu

New member
If NMM doesn\'t look realistic, then neither does highlighting and shadowing a miniature. Solid colors would look most realistic wouldn\'t they? After all a blue shirt doesn\'t have black folds, a dark blue underside and light blue creases.

Painting a miniature is all about enhancing the illusion of lifesize lighting effects on a miniature. Painters do this on a 2d canvas. We do it on a 3d canvas. That\'s the difference. There is nothing wrong with using shaded metallic paints. But there is also nothing wrong with trying to portray those tricky reflections with NMM.

The art form is all about guiding the observer\'s eye to what you wish to emphasize on a miniature. For example, if you have a conan miniature holding up a sword, and looking up, the sculpt already leads the observer\'s eye on a vertical axis. This can further be emphasized with a vertical reflection of light on the sword using NMM, and topped with a star beam at the tip to finish the composition and have the observers eye stop at that tip with oohs and aahs.

As others have pointed out, execution is key. But there is a learning curve, so not every execution is going to be perfect.

Choosing between metallics and NMM is not a choice made between good or evil, it\'s just a style and painter\'s preference. Neither is more realistic than the other. How do you define realistic on a miniature? Would it be more realistic to put on a miniature knit shirt on a mini rather than painting pewter? Or is \"realistic\" simply an unreal illusion geared for an observer?

The difficulty of the technique aside, these are all decissions an artist has to make. Who\'s to say what\'s right or wrong? Personally, the only judgement I can bring is based on how pleasing to the eye the finished painted miniature is.
 
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