winsor newton acrylic flow improver has been discontinued...

awong

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I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions for an alternative. I know that Golden, Liquitex, and others make mediums to help enhance the handling of Acrylics...but are there any favorites?

I\'m sure there must be previous threads regarding formulas, so I\'ll start hunting for those.

Many Thanks
AWhang
 
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mini-goddess

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Originally posted by awong
I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions for an alternative. I know that Golden, Liquitex, and others make mediums to help enhance the handling of Acrylics...but are there any favorites?

I\'m sure there must be previous threads regarding formulas, so I\'ll start hunting for those.

Many Thanks
AWhang


Where did you find this information? My distributor has no information on it at all, and so I can get it to sell.

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awong

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I attempted to have it ordered at my local art supply store (Graphaids). They told me that it had been discontinued and suggested alternatives.

I ended up ordering from MisterArt (thanks Aryanun).

I hope I\'m not passing along false info and I apologies if it does turn out wrong.

but...I ordered two bottles JIC :)

Thanks
AWhang

PS. *Aryanun, I think I read elsewhere your formula for using this. Would you mind reposting your ratios...its mixed with extender correct?
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Aryanun

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Heh...

Some employees in stores have a problem in saying something is discontinued when they can\'t be bothered to order it for you, unfortunately. When trying to order minis at some LGS\' the employees will say it\'s either not yet released or OOP and unavailable. :rolleyes:

I try to follow the advice of Reaper Staff Painter Anne Foerster, who\'s ratio is (direct quote from the Reaper forums):
\"Recipe: 80% folk art extender, 10% flow improver, 10% water. I add it to absolutely everything, all the time. One, two, or three drops depending on how much paint I\'m working with. There are no exact recipes; usage will vary by brand, color, and consistancy of paint. That said, if I used them separately, I would only vary the amount of flow improver in accordance with the amount of paint I was using, and vary the amount of extender in accordance with both the amount of paint and the application (layering or wet blending or wash or basecoat). Both additives will aid you in all painting endeavors.\"

Pretty much this is right on. Sometimes one paint color will be thicker than another, so it\'s mostly just checking your mix for how thin it is in ratio to how thin you like your paints. I like mine very thin, so I might add one or two more drops of the flow aid and extender (depending on if I\'m going to be wet blending) and maybe even an extra drop of water.

Hope that helps!! :D
 

MDL

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flow improver = flowaid = flow...?

I think the real question is what are you trying to do? Are you adding something to your acrylics to

1. slow the drying process so you can \'wet blend\', or are you

2. using these things to act as another medium which you add paint to, in order to improve it\'s characteristics for your painting style, or are you

3. Adding a \'whetting agent\' to the paint in order to have thinned paints \'lay flat\' into crevaces... i.e. improved washing, shading or tinting?

There are a variety of mediums you can use, but if you are using either extenders or flow enhancers (i.e. whetting agents, i.e. detergents/soaps/non-water based solvents, etc.) then you have a bunch of options.

If it is the later, both golden and liquitex make a flow enhancer, and both are fine. However, goldens is much \'thicker\', while the liquitex is already diluted. There are others from folk art, but they are very dilute, so they are much cheaper. But, you will use more of them.

If it is something to improve the \'flow\' of the paint, you can still use these things, but just not as much.

You can also use other combinations of other fluids, such as windshield washer fluid (for instance) to do the same/similar thing. Check out many actual modeling and model railroading sites. You will find many techniques for this sort of thing.

Hope this helps!
 

aon14

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Flow improvers are usually just detergents.
The stuff you wash your dishes with is worth trying.
Failing that... if your aim is less surface tension then isopropyl alcohol. Car screen wash.
For extender, johnsons klear ( acrylic varnish intended for floors ).
 

awong

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MDL brings up another good point (and Aryanun too)...when to use what.

Let me see if I have this correct...

Extender would be used if I were attempting to thin paint (transparency/washes) and maybe when mixing colors? I read somewhere that the acrylic in the medium helps strengthen/shore up the binders that would be weakened if diluted in just plain water. I\'m guessing that\'s why Future Floor Wax works so nicely (?)

The Flow-aid/flow enhancer/detergents/isop alcohol are used to break surface tension so paint settles without \"ringing\" (?). I remember adding detergent when doing washes for my armor models.

Combined, I get thinner applications of paint that lay down and dry with a proper feathered edge vs. a discernable hard edge (?) making layering look nicer.

Slow-dri is used to keep paints wet longer to allow for wet blending and longer work times.

How\'s that for a summary?:)

\"the rain in spain stays mainly in the plain...\"

Thanks everyone...can\'t wait to try all this out!

Thanks
AWhang
 
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mini-goddess

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Direct from Winsor & Newton...Flow Improver has NOT been discontinued!

Go back to that store and my guess would be maybe their distributor no longer carries that item, or, as has been suggested, a case of horrible customer service. If I were that storeowner, I\'d appreciate knowing a customer had been blown off and told the incorrect information.

As for how it\'s used, Anne was my mentor in layering and blending and I have used her formula before...these days I tend to use less extender and more just plain flow improver, but really, the magic formula works very well under any circumstances where you are thinning your paints down. Also, I have both Liquitex brands and WN Flow Improver & Folk Art Extender...any of them work well, I\'m attached to the WN Flow Improver, though...that\'s why this rumor hit me so hard!

Glad everything could be cleared up.

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Aryanun

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Flow-Aid = Flow Improver. From what I\'ve seen the words are interchangeable.

Extender is just that, it extendes the drying time, as does \"Slow-Dri\" which is what Liquitex has named it\'s brand of extenders.

I use both. I tried Future but found that it leaves a definate shine to things. That\'s what it\'s meant for, making linoleum floors super shiney. While it works to an extent, I\'ll stick with W&N or Liquitex flow improvers and extenders. :D
 

awong

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Not Discontinued...!Sorry!

I want to apologise again for starting a false rumor.
I called my Art Supply store and, after half a day \"checking on it\", they explained that the order number was changed, therefor the confusion...yeah right...I\'ve got an order in elsewhere.
Anyways, next time, I\'ll double check my sources and dig a little deeper before raising an alarm.
My humblest apologies.
Thanks
A(gots no credibility)Whang
 
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