WTF is up with HLI?

Avelorn

Avelorn

Sven Jonsson
Let\'s say someone does a good deed.. like giving away a fair share of their fortune to charity.. like 37 BILLION dollars :eek::eek::eek: Wouldn\'t you think that people would rejoice and be happy? but no...

no not these folks

Sorry I repspect people\'s different views in this topic. But really.. \"Dr. Mengele of philanthropy\" :flame:

Shame on you HLI! Shame on you!
 
Dragonsreach

Dragonsreach

Super Moderator
Staff member
Isn\'t it strange how it\'s a MAN dictating whether a WOMAN should have the right to choose what she does with her body.
Should that choice be the choice to carry a child to term, or the right to not, it is that Womans choice. It is not the choice of someone outside that particular womans mind.
 
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supervike

Super Moderator
(can of worms about to be opened...)


sorry...but to say the man would have no voice in the matter makes me cringe. It takes two to tango. I do believe there should be some representation of the other side.

Regarding Mr. Buffets charity of choice... I suppose you need to see HLI\'s point of view a bit more. IF they truly believe that abortion is murder, then voicing their opposition to it is the least they should be doing. Rhetoric like comparing it to Dr Mengele is over the top, I agree, but I think I\'d do the same if Buffet was giving the money to say...terrorist organizations or some such ilk.

(I am not comparing the two, just making the point that from HLI\'s point of view, he is funding the enemy)

Abortion is a very touchy subject...Let\'s remember that if this conversation continues.
 
Shawn R. L.

Shawn R. L.

New member
Originally posted by Dragonsreach
Isn\'t it strange how it\'s a MAN dictating whether a WOMAN should have the right to choose what she does with her body.
Should that choice be the choice to carry a child to term, or the right to not, it is that Womans choice. It is not the choice of someone outside that particular womans mind.
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The child has NO choice over their body. We are shamed for speaking for the defensless............???
 
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Ogrebane

Active member
Gunna sit on the fence here. On the one hand the guy has a right to spend his money where he likes and on the other his choice seems a little strange.

I agree with Shawn that no one ever asks about the right of the unborn children here or the rights of the father and whilst I see instances where abortion may be the answer I disagree with using it as a form of contraception. Maybe he would better spend his money in education and birth control methods rather that Feotus murder programs.

Whoops maybe I didnt sit on the fence. Oh well my opinion and I have a right to it.
 
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Thecadian

Active member
im with ogre bane.I think the guy is doing a brill thing giving the money away.But im not sure about the abortion bit.

james
 
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DrEvilmonki

Active member
Umm he isn\'t giving money for abortions. He is giving it to Bill Gates foundation which funds disease prevention and treatment programmes as well as education initiatives.
T concerceptionhe abortion arguement is from Buffets previous business dealings and donations to organisations who voice pro abortion views. So not the 37 billion being talked about now.

I by the way am in agreement with Ogrebane on this one. While I can see a need for abortion in certain circumstances it appalls me when it is used for contraception.
 
freakinacage

freakinacage

Well-known member
Originally posted by Ogrebane
I see instances where abortion may be the answer I disagree with using it as a form of contraception
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i agree totally, people should take care of contraception themselves. but mistakes do happen and i feel it is better to have an abortion at an early stage than bring another unwanted child into this world.

regardless of whether you are pro or ani abortion, this dude is still doing a pretty excellent thing here. it\'s not as if he has put all the money into abortion drugs is it, i think the rev dude is being a little harsh
 
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penguin

New member
Originally posted by freakinacage
Originally posted by Ogrebane
I see instances where abortion may be the answer I disagree with using it as a form of contraception
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i agree totally, people should take care of contraception themselves. but mistakes do happen and i feel it is better to have an abortion at an early stage than bring another unwanted child into this world.

regardless of whether you are pro or ani abortion, this dude is still doing a pretty excellent thing here. it\'s not as if he has put all the money into abortion drugs is it, i think the rev dude is being a little harsh
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I agree entirely. He has all this money, he should be generous with it and he is. Extremely generous in fact. I share the abortion views as well; as you say there are instances where I think it should be acceptable, such as if a woman is raped and becomes pregnant. But the use of abortion in contraception isn\'t right. Then, there is the issue of developing countries where they don\'t have contraception and loads of problems are caused...
 
Avelorn

Avelorn

Sven Jonsson
What I ment was: The guy gives away 37 billion dollar a tiny portion of it goes to birth regulation, which is from my best of knowledge a good idea. But that\'s not my point. They make a very grave accusation of him with no hard facts to back it up (ie. that he is trying to solve the problem of poverty by killing the poor). They call him by the name of Mengele, a man who has committed horrific crimes against humanity. They use pointless, misleading, rethoric only directed to hurt his person and try to force their view onto others.

I also understand what you mean. not only do I know people that are anti-abortion. I also come from the city of Vegans where some claim that animals have the same rights as human beings and should not be killed or be used as food. When I set myself in their position and witness the murder I see through their eyes I can understand why they have acted in the way that they have: Burning trucks from well known meat producers, releasing animals and demolishing laboratorys for animal testing. But there are some very fuzzy lines to draw here. When do you have the right to force your view on to others?

EDIT: Removed my view on the abortion subject. I can state it later if necessary.

Could there be a solution that satisfy us all?
 
freakinacage

freakinacage

Well-known member
Originally posted by Avelorn
They use pointless, misleading, rethoric only directed to hurt his person and try to force their view onto others.

Could there be a solution that satisfy us all?
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for the top point, no offence to religion but isn\'t that what the church does?! :eek:

and for the second point. no, never, ever
 
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Modderrhu

New member
Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
Originally posted by Dragonsreach
Isn\'t it strange how it\'s a MAN dictating whether a WOMAN should have the right to choose what she does with her body.
Should that choice be the choice to carry a child to term, or the right to not, it is that Womans choice. It is not the choice of someone outside that particular womans mind.
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The child has NO choice over their body. We are shamed for speaking for the defensless............???
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Exactly. A woman has created new life through consensual sex, has given up her rights when she falls pregnant. That\'s my immovable opinion. Shoot or flame, no-one will change my mind.

*jumping with both feet into a huge elephant turd*
 
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philologus

Subgenius
Originally posted by Modderrhu
Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
Originally posted by Dragonsreach
Isn\'t it strange how it\'s a MAN dictating whether a WOMAN should have the right to choose what she does with her body.
Should that choice be the choice to carry a child to term, or the right to not, it is that Womans choice. It is not the choice of someone outside that particular womans mind.
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The child has NO choice over their body. We are shamed for speaking for the defensless............???
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Exactly. A woman has created new life through consensual sex, has given up her rights when she falls pregnant. That\'s my immovable opinion. Shoot or flame, no-one will change my mind.

*jumping with both feet into a huge elephant turd*
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I\'m with both of you. And education programs seldom change anything.
 
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