Zombie Attacks and Nick

[KingZombie]

We were playing last night and it occurred to me that Nick ignores the first wound every time he's attacked (according to how it's written).

So...some questions came up:

1) Does he lose any equipment? (We didn't think so)

2) IF he ignores the first wound...he's never going to die. So when zombies attack, is it as a group? So if 3 zombies attacked they do 3 damage together and Nick would ignore the 1st wound?

Thanks!

 

[MAXXxxx]

1. no, he doesn't loose equipment for the first wound

2. they attack as a group, so in your example: 3 zombies attack, Nick ignores the first wound, the remaining 2 is still enough to kill him.

 

[Zackspacks]

2. they attack as a group, so in your example: 3 zombies attack, Nick ignores the first wound, the remaining 2 is still enough to kill him.

Although according to the official FAQ response from CMON to Scorps thread, this is not always the case. I asked if he ignored this first wound during an additional movement to a runner caused by a building being opened during the Survivor's phase. The official response was 'no'. Not convinced myself, but that is currently the official line.:laugh:

 

[Scorpion0x17]

Although according to the official FAQ response from CMON to Scorps thread, this is not always the case. I asked if he ignored this first wound during an additional movement to a runner caused by a building being opened during the Survivor's phase. The official response was 'no'. Not convinced myself, but that is currently the official line.:laugh:

Yeah, he only ignores the first attack during the zombie attack phase.

(and because he ignores the attack he simply doesn't get attacked and the question of losing equipment is moot)

 

[lerchey]

Yeah, he only ignores the first attack during the zombie attack phase.

(and because he ignores the attack he simply doesn't get attacked and the question of losing equipment is moot)

Whoa. That may complicate things a bit more. At least according to the way you worded it. I think I need to look at the rule book and work through this...

Zombies only attack ONCE during the Zombie Attack Phase. All Zombies attack during the Zombie Attack Phase, (and despite how the rule is worded, the example clarifies) taking 1 piece of equipment per Zombie in the Zone and inflicting one Wound each with wounds and card theft being doled out however the players want (but with the implied caveat that you cannot take a piece of equipment from 1 Survivor and give a different Survivor the Wound!).

I read that as a single Zombie Attack - massed.

Runners have 2 Actions, so they get to immediately repeat Phase 1 (Attack) and Phase 2 (Move).

Once all Zombie Attack Phases and Zombie Movement Phases are done, the Spawn Phase occurs, and then the Zombie Turn is complete.

OK, that's clear (at least to me). Now let's take a look at Tough.

Tough: The Survivor ignores the first attack he receives every Zombies Turn. (my emphasis)

Now it gets interesting, and depends largely on how one defines "the first attack he receives".

Sanity Check 1 - Nick alone in a Zone with two Walkers.

Zombies make their "attack". Nick would normally lose 2 pieces of equipment and take two Wounds, and die.
However, he has Tough. He ignores the first attack.

This can be read one of two ways - either a) the combined Zombie attack is the "first attack" or b) the first Zombie that attacks is the "first attack". If read the first way, Nick is fine because he "ignored the attack". If read the second way, Nick loses 1 card and receives 1 Wound, ignoring the first Zombie.

We have been playing "b" - Nick gets Wounded.

So what if the Zone contained 1 Walker and 1 Runner instead?

In option "a", Nick ignores the combined attack and is fine, then the Runner gets a second Attack Phase and Nick takes a Wound from the Runner (Tough ignores the first attack in the zombie TURN).
In option "b", Nick ignores 1 Wound, and suffers 1, then the Runner gets a second Attack Phase and Nick is killed.

As you can see from this, how the various phrases are interpreted is critically important - at least to Nick!

Is this something that Guillotine needs to clarify?

 

[Scorpion0x17]

Is this something that Guillotine needs to clarify?

They already have!

Question 3a: Regarding the Tough ability, if an extra activation during the 'building population phase' causes a Runner to move one space and attack a Tough survivor, do they shrug off the damage?
A: No. the Tough Skill works on the Zombie phase.

Question 3b: Do they shrug off one damage from cars?
A: -

Question 3c: Also, same game round, during the zombies phase, do they also shrug off the first damage, even if they have previously shrugged off 1 damage that game round?
A: Tough deflects *only* the first Wound inflicted during the Zombie phase.

 

[lerchey]

Scorp,

Thanks! I actually found the unofficial-official-FAQ yesterday as well. Lots of answers in there!
And while I think that some of the car-related stuff is really dumb, at least things are a lot clearer.

Thanks again!

 

[KingZombie]

Where is the FAQ? I must have.... off to search for it now....

 

[Scorpion0x17]

Where is the FAQ? I must have.... off to search for it now....

This is the closest thing we've got to an FAQ at this time.

 

[lerchey]

Yup, and that's what I used. Looks to be at least *correct* if not completely official.