IdofEntity
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You plan on procreating? Maybe they weren't crazy for building bomb shelters during the red scare. I need to find one of those old things.
is your daughter a hoe?
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You plan on procreating? Maybe they weren't crazy for building bomb shelters during the red scare. I need to find one of those old things.
Shawn R. L.
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Not at all to the exclusion of your point but the flip side of the same coin, some of us fellers can feel a very heavy load of being judged for how much money we make. The signals being given off by a lot of media is that you needed to be a stallion and a prince all the time. Having money, prowess and charm are fine in and of themselves. Just like a woman's body and sexuality are fine. Both sex's are having an image, that's a narrow band and simply out of reach for most, demanded of them and, sadly, a LOT of value attached to those images. Sometimes intense scorn for not attaining 'it.' Kind of an insanity loop. Constantly having to jump to grasp something that is out of reach yet to not grasp it is totally unacceptable.
If we were encouraging it that would be an issue as well.
If you encourage sexuality, you're a perv. If you try to limit it, your a prude. If you just go with whatever is happening, you're hammered by both sides.
Find me a woman who wouldn't judge a man based on previously existing factors......no.... seriously
However, that really isn't the issue here.
The issue is that the "Popular adult" on TV is wearing these clothes to be sexy. However the impresonable young person watching may not get that. If you're teaching kids to dress in a manner that is deemed as "Sexy" and "Provocative" on an adult, then there is some issue.
Likewise I think that maintaining a healthy body image is good. However it should at least have some basis in reality. I wouldn't suggest that a very slender person wear clothes three sizes larger than them than I would a very large person wear clothes three sizes smaller. It looks poor either way.
On the more male side of things. I think that it's equally as sick to try and sell young people on the idea that it's a good thing to join a gang and disrespect every authority figure. Meanwhile trying to profit on the problematic lifestyle of others without solving or attempting to improve it. "Ghetto" style clothes costs more than many designer labels and there are very few record or clothing labels who profit off that kind of style that use it towards anything worthwhile for the communities they came from/claim to have come from.
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Torn blue sky
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Not outwardly planning just yet , so you're safe. But 2012 is just round that corner, plenty of time for the mrs to squezze one out yet!
wiccanpony
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Not my problem, never having kids .. And very happy over the fact, but I would try and guide her or him to come up with their own personal statement …oh I don’t know, something renaissance witchy maybe
This reminds me of what I call the "Twilight Double Standard".
Edward, the main character is supposed to be 17 physically (He's a twinkly vampire though so he's 90). The actor at the time was 21.
Have you seen the "Twilight Moms"? Friggin' scary.
Middle Age soccer moms who are fighting (literally) and swooning over "Edward" and to touch him if he walks past.
Demented.
Now imagine if a group of men acted the same way about a young actress portraying a teenage character.
We would be crucified as pedophiles.
Torn blue sky
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He's right, y'know.
He's right, y'know.
Niall
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Well there is a lot of double standards around these days. Like the Race for Life which is only open to women wanting to raise money for cancer and the company Avon which only employ women. Swap the genders around and there would be protests and all sorts saying how us men are putting women down.
South Park did a show on this with the female teacher and Kyle's brother! Niiice.
South Park did a show on this with the female teacher and Kyle's brother! Niiice.
funnymouth
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Evil D that, sir, is hilarious and insightful. the whole twilight craze is creepy and weird and its making vampires lame.
the double standard is a bitch, but honestly, sometimes i am a
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the double standard is a bitch, but honestly, sometimes i am a
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Evil D,
Is that blonde woman crying?
Is that blonde woman crying?
Oh, it's completely creepy in many, many ways.
1.) They are not vampires in any since of the word other than the fact she calls them such as a marketing tool. It would be far more accurate to call them demi gods, as they have none of the weaknesses of literature's vampires, and many more powers not attributed to vampires. IMHO, with mythological creatures, one must stick to the established legends of a creature otherwise the creature itself becomes pointless. After all, could you describe a creature that was essentially an ape, then call it a unicorn? Sure, it would be stupid though.
2.)The writing absolutely sucks, the characters are boring, and it is a mish mash of ripped off ideas.
3.) The relationship between the two main characters is disturbing: Why is a 90 year old "vampire" interested in a completely unremarkable, untalented, generally useless 17 year old. I mean, hell, I'm in my late 30's and I find even the hottest 20 year old friggin' annoying.
4.)Teenage angst from a 90 year old "vampire". Ugh, cliched and I suspect completely unrealistic.
5.)The relationship itself can be viewed as abusive, and unhealthy, Edward is a control freak, Bella is dependent upon Edwards approval. some would say both Bella's and Edward's behavior is obsessive.
All in all, it is horrible literature. An escapist sexual fantasy, some would say unhealthy, in which the completely unremarkable girl is swept off her feet by a controlling god who takes care of her for no other reason other than he loves this completely untalented, uninteresting, useless girl.
You don't have to be interesting, or witty, or independent, or any behavior that would be rewarding in itself to have a god fall in love with you, you just have to be and that is special enough, is what this screams to me.
It's almost fantasy for the lazy and the shallow, if you get my drift.
Uggh.
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Einion
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:rotfl:
What vampires 'should' be like has come up here a couple of times and there is actually no one vampire mythos, but a selection (very disparate if you consider sources other than writing in English).
And for anyone that doesn't know, the literary vampire, Dracula, could walk around during the day plus he could transform not just to a bat but a wolf, even a mist.
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IdofEntity
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Indeed, the only agreed upon attribute or ability of every kind of "Vampire" I've read about is that they survive only on feeding upon the life force (in many cases blood, but certain chinese versions of the vampire don't need the actual blood) of the living. Now you take the archetypal vampire (older, charismatic, powerful, cryptic, and dangerous) and of course their "prey" is going to be someone of the younger and more trusting/foolhardy variety of the usually opposite gender. (Many vampire legends depict the vampires as male, though notable exceptions exist.)
In a metaphorical context you could say that Stephanie Meyer is a vampire. She feeds off the emotional disparity of young teenage girls (and apparently lovelorn mothers of said teenage girls) who don't have a healthy appreciation for mature relationships in order to produce an income. She doesn't give anything back to the readers aside from a temporary anaesthetic bliss that amounts to simple escapism. (much akin to the delirious joy that often overtakes women in many vampire mythos) Now if the books did anything to nurture a mental or emotional growth in these people, I'd say it's a symbiotic relationship. But since I can't see that they do (even the vocabulary seemed watered down) then I can only label Mrs. Meyer as the Parasitic Paragon of the Paperback. A true vampire.
To be fair, I only read the first book. Perhaps she has shown considerable improvement since. I mean, hell...it's possible.
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evil tendencies
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Here in California, "dressing in the manner of a prostitute" is a common citation for hookers when they get arrested, and is allowed by tons of case law under section 653.22.C of the Penal Code. When the clothing that I used photograph and bag for evidence at work is the same kind of clothing that I find my 6th grade students wearing, I have a problem with that.
I don't think this is a matter of controlling women's sexuality - on the contrary, by insisting that our young girls cannot dress like professional sex workers, we protect them from the attentions of those who would take their clothing as permission to pressure them into acts that they would not normally assent to. While kids need to get to know the world, I don't think it is unreasonable to insist that they have a fair amount of guided practice making adult decisions before they are given the keys to their own destruction. We often insist on this for kids in other arenas (even for boys), so I don't see why folks get all worked up about controlling women or somesuch.
As for 8 year-old girls wearing bras, it's not necessarily so crazy. The average age of menarche has dropped by almost 4 years since I was in high school, and almost 5 since my mother was in high school. When bodies start developing earlier, it's reasonable that the clothing this process necessitates would come around sooner too. That doesn't mean we should encourage those girls to dress in the manner as I mentioned above, but many girls do need some form of those garments earlier than they used to.
I don't think this is a matter of controlling women's sexuality - on the contrary, by insisting that our young girls cannot dress like professional sex workers, we protect them from the attentions of those who would take their clothing as permission to pressure them into acts that they would not normally assent to. While kids need to get to know the world, I don't think it is unreasonable to insist that they have a fair amount of guided practice making adult decisions before they are given the keys to their own destruction. We often insist on this for kids in other arenas (even for boys), so I don't see why folks get all worked up about controlling women or somesuch.
As for 8 year-old girls wearing bras, it's not necessarily so crazy. The average age of menarche has dropped by almost 4 years since I was in high school, and almost 5 since my mother was in high school. When bodies start developing earlier, it's reasonable that the clothing this process necessitates would come around sooner too. That doesn't mean we should encourage those girls to dress in the manner as I mentioned above, but many girls do need some form of those garments earlier than they used to.
freakinacage
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surely thats libelous!!
yes because they have an effect on men which we don't have on women. and we find that scary. having said that a pre-pubescent child shouldn't have any sexuality to repress...
aye wtf is that about?!! the girls at work are doing that and i signed up but was told off as it's women only?!! oh dear, they just lost a donation
james sequeira
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3rd base ? Niceeeeee
Avelorn
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Is having a sexuality dangerous?
When I was 4-5 years old I experimented with the neighbours kids until our parents' condemnations got the better of us. Of course course kids have a sexuality, some more, some less just like adults, just look at any textbook on the subject. The reason we don't like to describe it as a sexuality is because our skewed view of sex. Sex is in that view, however much we like it, fundamentally a guilty pleasure, something a little bit "impure" and kids are supposed to be "pure". Innocence and sexuality can't be manifested in the same body so to speak.
Therefore we need to be very careful of what we actually say. What is it that is wrong with being a hoe? The derogatory term is about sexual promiscuity rather then questioning if sex should be a good or commodity like any other (and the inbuilt power relationship). If you teach your kids to learn to say no and not fulfil the expectations of someone else, ie. give them high selfesteem and teach them to avoid being abused and the dangerous situations that can occur, what are we left with? If there is no room for having a sexuality then the issue we have here seem to be of control rather then anything else. I think those of you that frequently speak of a nanny state should see that "protection" in essence can be about "control".
That said, I find it disheartening to see. I think some of you have raised the issue at hand, as I see it, and it is this:
Which, TreManor, is a feminist analysis! But you don't necessarily have to be a sexual object, designed to please someone else, you can be a sexual subject as well. An peripheral issue in this thread is that not only is the kid dressed like a hoe, she's fat too. What does that say really? It's a limit to the kind of bodies that can be considered sexy that kids not always can see.
Well. I sense that there is a huge and controversial tension here. Because what do you get if you have a 10 year old with larger breasts and a bit more hips... the beauty ideals of today. No imperfections of the skin, no body hair, no wrinkles. And when kids start dressing up like adults and wearing bras we see that and are absolutely shocked by it. I think that is the reason most of us can't find this cute and innocent. If we would see a boy dressed up in the same way, well in comes transvestism or homosexuality which also might invoke a similar reaction. Back to my first point about innocence and sexuality.
We men should be able to look sexy as well and the best kept secret of women is that we do invoke the same kind of reaction! Hopefully without the current trend of shaving to look like little boys as well. Unfortunately instead of liberation we do get equal oppression instead.
I couldn't agree more with Shawn R.L. about how these identities hurt as mean as well. I mean this thing that women should take care of the kids is really a loss on our part, because kids are great. I'd never sacrifice my future parenthood on the altar of stereotypic behaviour. Again it feels like we are going the wrong way here, that instead of fathers getting more time with their children mothers get less and the kids get a nanny.
When I was 4-5 years old I experimented with the neighbours kids until our parents' condemnations got the better of us. Of course course kids have a sexuality, some more, some less just like adults, just look at any textbook on the subject. The reason we don't like to describe it as a sexuality is because our skewed view of sex. Sex is in that view, however much we like it, fundamentally a guilty pleasure, something a little bit "impure" and kids are supposed to be "pure". Innocence and sexuality can't be manifested in the same body so to speak.
Therefore we need to be very careful of what we actually say. What is it that is wrong with being a hoe? The derogatory term is about sexual promiscuity rather then questioning if sex should be a good or commodity like any other (and the inbuilt power relationship). If you teach your kids to learn to say no and not fulfil the expectations of someone else, ie. give them high selfesteem and teach them to avoid being abused and the dangerous situations that can occur, what are we left with? If there is no room for having a sexuality then the issue we have here seem to be of control rather then anything else. I think those of you that frequently speak of a nanny state should see that "protection" in essence can be about "control".
That said, I find it disheartening to see. I think some of you have raised the issue at hand, as I see it, and it is this:
Which, TreManor, is a feminist analysis!
But you don't necessarily have to be a sexual object, designed to please someone else, you can be a sexual subject as well. An peripheral issue in this thread is that not only is the kid dressed like a hoe, she's fat too. What does that say really? It's a limit to the kind of bodies that can be considered sexy that kids not always can see.Well. I sense that there is a huge and controversial tension here. Because what do you get if you have a 10 year old with larger breasts and a bit more hips... the beauty ideals of today. No imperfections of the skin, no body hair, no wrinkles. And when kids start dressing up like adults and wearing bras we see that and are absolutely shocked by it. I think that is the reason most of us can't find this cute and innocent. If we would see a boy dressed up in the same way, well in comes transvestism or homosexuality which also might invoke a similar reaction. Back to my first point about innocence and sexuality.
We men should be able to look sexy as well and the best kept secret of women is that we do invoke the same kind of reaction!
Hopefully without the current trend of shaving to look like little boys as well. Unfortunately instead of liberation we do get equal oppression instead.I couldn't agree more with Shawn R.L. about how these identities hurt as mean as well. I mean this thing that women should take care of the kids is really a loss on our part, because kids are great. I'd never sacrifice my future parenthood on the altar of stereotypic behaviour. Again it feels like we are going the wrong way here, that instead of fathers getting more time with their children mothers get less and the kids get a nanny.
