New Style White Dwarf

nels0nmac

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I managed to get a look at the new WD, and saw a geek raving over the fact that it was bigger , better and 'hey I don't mind paying the extra cost'. I didn't look that closely at the mag....lots of red though??? I do wonder though about making it bigger and charging an extra 20% for it - now £5.50 in the UK. Surely it would make more sense to keep it the same size and just improve on the content; but that seems to be GW's marketting ploy - place a supposedly better product on the market and charge a bucketful extra for it.

On the subject of Finecast, I was thinking of not bothering with the GD figure due to the crap quality of the finecast Empire captain that I had purchased earlier in the year. However a friend bought one and - shock /horror - it looked flawless, no obvious defects and no signs of airbubbles. I got 2 myself and the same quality. So does this mean that they spent a lot of time getting this figure just right due to it being the GD one or have GW finally cracked producing good quality casts in Finecast?
 

Dedwrekka

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Judging a games demographic from one expensive convention isnt really scientific is it?

But WD is heading in the right direction, only way it could go really.

Unfortunately, as I've said before, it's the only convention you can gauge the community at.

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However, while I do like the older demographic, the problem wasn't with the age differences or even too many kids buying the games. The problem was that they only took the most condescending and consumer-ist steps towards the younger demographic. As a kid I loved the hobby articles, tacticas, Golden Demon displays and themed army spotlights while they were around. It was the kind of stuff that brought me into the hobby. Instead they looked at the younger generation and said "lets make everything less complex, less interesting, and throw in more advertisements". The problem has never been the young demographic, it's been the way that GW looks at and treats them.

It's also a bad sign if the younger demographic disappears, because that's the future of the GW hobby right there.
 

moetle

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I don't consider myself a "fan-boy" but i do enjoy their Novels. I do have a shit-ton of their products, but i also have a shit-ton of wyrd, reaper, kingdom death, etc, etc.

Got mine yesterday and read through it. Although the articles were short, I did find most of them interesting. It also seemed liked there were a lot more pics and the battle reports were well laid out, and i liked the extra details. A lot of people complained about the red background, i didn't mind it and i don't think it washed any details out of the pics. It did seem to give a unifying theme to the whole book. I liked the new layout also, it just seemed more organized to me.

IMHO, i don't think the change was a "mega wow omfg i need a subscription right now"! But, as others have stated, it is a step in the right direction, and i do look forward to seeing how it develops.

Moe
 

KruleBear

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Found a good White Dwarf....was looking for a reference to a mini and pulled out WD #82. The diferences?

Reviews of different game system supplements.
A rule set for dwarves on ships with directions for making cardboard ships.
Many articles.
A pull out add for the awesome warhammer role playing game(i really loved this simple rule set with its rich background).
Miniature adds.
A full color spread of John Blanches minis-not sure they would score well on todays cmon;) .
And most imprtant of all....Thrud the Barbarian meets the Mutant Radioactive Zombie Bikers from Hell!

-KruleBear
 

nels0nmac

Member
Slight change of tack - the UK GD minis that I bought are not entirely fault free. There are a couple of flaws on each one, but still a marked improvement on the Empire Captains I received via Mail Order - 43 and 29 flaws respectively. This has raised my feelings of goodwill towards Finecast but still not enough for me to want to go out and buy more without first being able to check on the quality, that and I can still get metal ones on Ebay....for half the price.

Oh and Thrud the Barbarian rocked!!!:laugh:
 

Kretcher

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Einion to hijack;
If I get into a fight(*), last thing I want to do is give the other guy an equal chance, I want the field and odds definitley weighted in my favour.
I'd want to put him down quick, hard and with no ability to get up in a hurry.

(*Thankfully been a while since the last Donnybrook).

I would say that you should try DayZ sounds like the right kind of computer game for you :)

/Kretcher
 

Einion

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Who was talking about a game?
We weren't but does seem like an apt gaming suggestion for someone who wants to stack things in their favour!

I was going to hijack and ask about DayZ but I think I'll start a new thread.

Einion
 

Wyrmypops

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Was early for an apppointment today (anxiety group therapy). Killed time by breaking up copious smoking of ciggies by a trip to WH Smiths to try the new WD. Disappointing. The WD that is, the ciggies were wonderful.

It is still more a collection of adverts than a hobby magazine. Not even subtle in that regard. It does at least cover the gamut of GW related stuffs. Forgeworld and Black Library.
The advert and intro' to Gw nature of it really renders it kinda pointless as a hobby magazine. At least, one you subscribe to. More, something you pick up and not need to again. Being dominated with all the steering it gives it's not really neccesary to visit on a monthly basis.

James had mentioned a couple things I was on the lookout for. The redness, and the layout. They did prove noticable, but can't be sure if I would have been struck by them if they hadn't been mentioned.
The red light cast on some of the showcase photos, I didn't mind it. Certainly made a change from the images of the same miniature being unredified in so many of the other pages. Dramatic photography is something I could enjoy more of I think.
The layout is really blocky. That is, like a US road system. It's really quite unorganic and uninspiring.

The thing that bothered me the most is a particular bugbear of mine. John Blanche.
This shiny new episode could have been an opportunity to move away from the delusional belief this man is even moderately adequate. Instead, there's an installment of Blanshitsu which starts with a self portrait of the smug bugger. As ever, in scratchy pen, piss yellow, shit brown, and blood red, with smears of white - with the obligatory random piping and skulls added (it's only a headshot though, else you can be sure he'd have added spiked heels, ripped fishnets and spiky fur, as he does to, you know, everything). The vanity of the bloke managed to override his avoidance of any other colour, painting his eye blue.
It goes on to show a few of his minis. He's in dire need of a painting lesson. Technique, but mostly colour theory. The self absorbed numpty does on to explain them as being part of his ongoing vision and experiments. Bollocks, an experiment is hardly doing something you've done countless times before, unless he forgets what occurs when you apply those same few colours he employs over each other.
I recall a previous one of his masturbatory sessions in article form, recounting an art teacher saying he'd not amount to anything. He was saying it to scoff, "ha ha, how wrong they were eh." The blinkered fool doesn't see how right that teacher was.
Art is subjective, but even an artist develops, evolves, moves into new phases so in that he's stalled (he's Status Quo, doing the same three chords over and over). As an illustrator, he sucks the farts from the donkeys bumhole. There's a purpose in illustration he can't come close to providing. Unless everything he illustrates, you know, really does look like it's been dressed in the dark by a fetishist and dragged through the smeared remains of said fetishist. Only bloke that's managed to make Eldar look hideous, quite an accomplishment in lack of ability.
/breathe out
/end rant
/enjoy a ciggie.
 

marjedi

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6th edition 40k was a stellar chance to update the art to the modern times and put mr Blanche into retirement.

But sadly it did not happen.

I know the look came from his awfull art, but just cause stuff is old does not make it great. But GW is in dire need of hitting the reset button on all the stuff they do.
 

Shady Character

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I can say i did not get started in the hobby due to GW. I got started in D&D, but found when i went to conventions that i was more intrigued by tabletop minis. Which consisted mainly of napoleonics and various mediocre fantasy systems. My first minis were a boxed set of Grenadier dwarfs. I had purchased a few Citadel minis as they became available later on in my mini career as their quality seemed above most others available. At about this time the quality of Dragon magazine seemed to be going in the toilet and an occasional issue of White Dwarf became available and it slowly morphed into a source of awesome painted inspiration. Then rouge trader came out...wow a decent rule set with a cool back story for scifi. I followed GW for several years, but became frusteated with rules that made my armies obsolete faster than i could paint them. I let my White Dwarf subscription expire due to life not leaving me enough time to enjoy it. I did pick up an copy a couple times a year and noticed the quality heading the same direction as Dragon. I continued to buy minis to paint ( with the dream of gaming again some day) and some GW fluff. I enjoyed most of the black library fantasy stuff and picked some of the new army books which i enjoyed reading. At the same time i was becoming frustrated with the price increases that were outpacing the competition--and i was exposed to Reaper which i felt had similar quality (and better undead at the time) so i started switching. After being out of the hobby for awhile i came back and started seeing all the new option (thanks cmon) and can not understand why anyone would be fanatical about GW only.

So that is a long winded way of saying, i am not a GW hater but due to there marking practices...i am also not a significant supporter of theirs. Which is unfortunate for them as i now have the financial means to purchase more than i did back in the day. Oh well, their loss.

And i do hope there idea guys are able to keep GW successful as it allows all the other players to be successful.

Lies. Mantra said 99.9% of us got into the hobby via GW and PegaZus already spoke up in representation of that .1%

Mantra, you will need to tell me how to get to this polarized, absolute, black and white world you live in. It sounds like a nice, simple place to live in.

There is a lot of bad things to be said about the company and for good reason. This isn't just an oddball, aberrant viewpoint. Most of the criticisms are very universal from a LOT of people (maybe as much as 79.576%!*) which kinda puts the kibosh on the theory that is just negative hate. A good deal of those haters however, despite the straw-manning, actually can appreciate the good points too. As an example, a luuurve the new Ork Fighta-Bomma, love everything about it. I also greatly respect a good deal of the employees, but that respect falls far short of Kirby.

But you know, you see one negative post by someone and clearly you know enough about them, their stance on the hobby, their motivations, philosophy and mentality enough to judge them.

The people you are talking about Mantra, do exist, but don't kid yourself, there is just as many at the opposite end of the spectrum. Which is to say, most people exist in the middle.

If ever there was a chance of me getting the mag (which admittedly was never high) having to stomach another Blanche-wank (in case that gets reducted, it's the W word that involves exercising one arm) article, well I will still have a flick through but I don't rate it's chances very high. Especially when the hobby stuff being my primary interest, and I can(and did) get 100 times the hobby content for 10 USD in the form of the CMON Ultimate Painting Guide.

*I did a survey, was all scientifik and stuff.
 
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lono

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The thing that bothered me the most is a particular bugbear of mine. John Blanche. etc.

Hahaha! Still not a fan eh? :)

I disagree with a great deal of what you think about him, but can't argue with the 'art is subjective' part so there's no correct and true perspective on it. One thing I feel very strongly though is that John has a style that's instantly recognisable, and regardless of what you think about the rendering quality of it, that in itself is a sign that he's established himself as an artist rather than a hack.

I tend to view his stuff as a palette of inspiration rather than something to be appreciated solely as a piece of beautiful art to ooh and ahh over. You get piss yellow, spiked heels and fur, I tend to see a whole raft of historical and artistic influence that means I can look at his sketches for far longer and get a lot more from them than I can from yet another nicely done painting of a Space Marine.

I think his models are great too. Again, it's down to style. He has his own, I think it works, it impresses me that he paints minis that are so obviously his and they are really quite unique in a large crowd of perfectly rendered zenithal lighting and NMM that tends to look quite similar (a huge generalisation, but hopefully you know what I mean).

But I know I'm not gonna convince you, so I'm not going to try. :)

Whatever you may think, if you look through his actual sketchbooks, which are bloody massive and very impressive (and I can't believe how willingly he just lets folks flick through his original pieces of work) you see so much that clearly influences every single range of models GW produces. His sketches are the starting point for a ton of what makes the worlds of Warhammer and 40k look like they do. They always have been and he's been very evolutionary in that rather than a stifled and static inspiration. There is tons going on in his images and those things spark the directions GW takes in its art, models, background, etc in a huge way.

He might not have amounted to something his art teacher would see as impressive, but what he does as a whole for GW is thoroughly impressive.

Also, he's a really nice bloke and in the limited contact I've had with him he managed to be encouraging, positive and offer advice and contacts to help me out with my mini range. That sort of thing's priceless and I think it's an asset GW's lucky to have. The guy knows his stuff and he isn't GW centric in his thinking, he knows a lot of 'outsiders'. These are all signs that he's more than just a blinkered fool. In fact, for a guy who is getting on a bit he seems to be pretty up with what's going on!
 

RuneBrush

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Funnily enough, I was having a discussion about John Blanche this weekend. I was visiting friends one of which got into Games Workshop years ago - as in he has the hard back Rogue Trader & Lost and the Damned. The Blanche style does have it's place - I think it really set the background for Dreadfleet (he used a larger palette too), however in the current era of 40k and Warhammer I don't feel it comes up to par. Looking through stuff he's done, he used to vary his style but over the past ten years or so he's settled in what he currently does and it's really fallen behind the times. I completely agree with the comments on his models too - twenty years ago it would have been OK but now, especially with the development of better quality paints, the "splotch on and cover in sepia ink" looks really crude.

What shocks me though is that Adrian Smith has always remained a consistent artist. The stuff he drew in Lost and the Damned is as good as the art he's drawn recently and he does have a very distinct style too. I think the big difference is that John is comfortable in his salaried position in GW whereas Adrian works for a multitude of companies.

That said however, a couple of years ago me and my brother were lucky enough to look through one of his sketch/art books and it was very good. He uses a lot of water colour/ink washes which just don't replicate in printed form very well.
 
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dogfacedboy uk1

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When White Dwarf covers other companies models and works I will possibly subscribe lol. Until then, why would you want to read a magazine thats all about one range of figures? If you play solely warhammer or 40K or both, the yes, White Dwarf is the magazine for you. When it comes to painting and an interesting read there is Ravage and Games Force - a much better choice for everyone else. At an increased price of £5.50 it becomes WAYYYY TOO EXPENSIVE for what it is. You could pick up a model for that and just read stuff online for free loL!

dfb
 
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