BloodFather's Axis of Chaos

[BloodFather of Kharnath]

Thanks guys. I think I may add more mid tone here and there. It does need to get a bit lighter IMO. Also going to add some more pure whites in my highlights to increase glare. But I do need help with something my friends. On the über close up shot, you can see where his helmet lost a wing and I clumsily glued it back on. Over and over again because it broke off a few more times. And in trying to make it look better with sanding, etc I've succeeded in making it worse. Any ideas? Should I put a thin layer of Milliput over it and resculpt either all of it or just the section where the gap is? Should I treat it like a simple gap that needs filled and use liquid Milliput to add layers? Any ideas are welcome. Note that gold is base coated in areas.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

The join isn't far off from I can see, try a watered Milliput then sanding in ultra careful mode and apply a thin primer to see how it looks. I'm more than sure you can sort this. I think it's a case of slowly, slowly to get it fixed, don't be too eager.

 

[fluisterwoud]

Your metal is looking really nice. As for the broken wing, I think a minor resculpt at the broken section could work. Just need a tiny bit of milliput/gs and some smoothing.

 

[BloodFather of Kharnath]

I'm scared.

 

[Bailey03]

I'd do a practice sculpt on a piece of scrap first, just to see if I could get the feathers to look right at the size and be smooth enough. To be honest, since you're doing NMM, you can probably just fake it. With TMM is really helps to have that underlying shape to play with the light. But with NMM, you can just use the contrast to make it look like sculpted detail.

 

[Demihuman]

Personally i would try to get it as best I can with some really soft putty or even heavy acrylic medium, then I would paint it up a little bit and see how I liked it. More and more I find myself making corrections with a sharp knife and little rolled up sand paper as I paint. Those little corrected spots are easy to repaint and, to me, the areas needing repair are way easier to assess once I have painted on them a little. My big concern is whether or not it's even strong enough to sand. You might have to make a green stuff backing for it and then fix the front.

You could always be the guy that does the battle damage flower knight...

It doesn't look like the sculpt is perfectly symmetrical and those radiating lines are going to be good for hiding your mistake. I think a basic repair should suffice.

Ooh Vallejo putty from a pot is nice. It comes out like toothpaste and you can shape it with an old brush. It dries a lot like toothpaste to for that matter. It is probably toothpaste, but seems good for stuff like this.

 

[Canny]

Ha that's true Demi. I have found painting it, then adjusting it works. Hard to see the fine ness of the actual job in a pic. I think Milliput is the biz. I think dark nmm is great, like you say stronger white highlights are what's needed for it to really pop. I see it as black armor more than steel. Dam GOOD WORK mate.

 

[BloodFather of Kharnath]

Well, steel is what I am after so definitely need to reintroduce some mid tones in spots, and strengthen the highlights as discussed. As stated earlier, the gradient is essentially mapped directly from the master Tommie Soule. If I must say myself the mapping is great but the tones are slightly off. No worry, even if I leave it as is, I can at least claim it as my own, darker version

all of your advice on fixing the wing on the helmet has been excellent. I think I will slowly affix tiny, tiny balls of a Milliput and GReenstuff mixture and just do my best to smmmooooth it out. There is actually quite a bit of super glue gunk interfering with a smooth connection and surface. Is there a material that essentially melts super glue out there? Would be helpful.

Finally, I am taking ideas. I really am having trouble with my creative energies on this dude. Two parts. #1-How do I make his base epic and unique? This is where I will either be just another flower knight wanna-be, or a quality project spoken in the same breath as Tommie (yeah right). Need something beyond the obvious flowery base.

#2- Need an epic freehand on his cape, which is not pictured but if ur familiar with this project you'll know the one. It's got a lot of heavy folds, but still, with skill I can freehand something nice. Was originally thinking of the box art for the Flower Witch? You know, the preliminary artist rendition that KD always does. Thoughts? Better ideas?

Thank you, community of geniuses.

 

[fluisterwoud]

Here's my "late at night, I really need sleep" ideas.

Base: Some kind of steampunky metal and concrete mix with little hints of grass and flowers. He's bringing nature back to an industrialized world

Cape: one of these patterns

 

[oistene]

Is there a material that essentially melts super glue out there? Would be helpful.

Acetone dissolves super glue. Steal some nail polish remover from your wife. I assume that I don't have to tell you to be REALLY REALLY careful, as it might kill paint as well.

I'm curious about the GS/Milliput mixture, by the way - what extra properties do you get by mixing them? I never tried mixing the two.

 

[BloodFather of Kharnath]

Fluister: Yeah I really like the SP with flowers idea. That is what T. Soule did on his to great effect. I'll just have to think of something unique I guess. Ideas still welcome. I am leaning towards a magical fairy-like scene almost. Or another thing to consider is I somehow find that the Flower Knight can be frightening in his appearance and uncertain origins. What is he? Kinda spooky in a way, and I think this is what KD wanted to convey with their fantasy horror setting. Think Ravenloft. Damnit, I don't know....but I DO like the flower patterns u got there. Perhaps I can incorporate them in, even if I choose to paint the Flower Witch's portrait as well.

Oist: Milliput on its own is too crumbly for me. The standard kind can't be used for super fine details because of this. However, I love it for its ability to be sanded and shaped well after it hardens. Conversely, I like the smoothness and the detail the GS allows, but I find that it won't sand or cut well when it hardens. Others have told me that they have been able to sand it, but in either case it won't sand as well as Milliput. Also, adding the two makes the GS less sticky than it normally is. I've mixed the two enough now that I feel I can manipulate the stuff well enough to actually sculpt well.

Thanks for the acetone tips. After putting some putty over it, the super glue isn't really a problem anymore. As Bailey03 originally stated, it looks like I'll have to cheat some by painting edges and parts that no longer exist from the wear and tear. Wish me luck.

 

[Demihuman]

Okay here is my ideas for a base for this guy. The first thing that comes to mind is some sort of clockwork flower. A lot like the pattern Flu shared. Do an image search for "brass flower" there is a bunch of brass foilage out there. Do a full on sylvan base but then use all metallic colors.

The other idea would be to just have him in some totally jarring alt world setting. Like a plague ward in a asylum with dead bodies, blood, chains,bundles of rags and bones, and this guy with hand reaching out like that. Maybe even standing on a little patch of grass with some flowers and stuff amidst all the horror.

There is also Bohuns Hellrasier cube...

http://www.coolminiornot.com/356718?browseid=12098577

Just paint one of those bad boys up and have him standing on it

 

[fluisterwoud]

How about a reclaimed by nature base?

 

[BloodFather of Kharnath]

Okay here is my ideas for a base for this guy. The first thing that comes to mind is some sort of clockwork flower. A lot like the pattern Flu shared. Do an image search for "brass flower" there is a bunch of brass foilage out there. Do a full on sylvan base but then use all metallic colors.

The other idea would be to just have him in some totally jarring alt world setting. Like a plague ward in a asylum with dead bodies, blood, chains,bundles of rags and bones, and this guy with hand reaching out like that. Maybe even standing on a little patch of grass with some flowers and stuff amidst all the horror.

There is also Bohuns Hellrasier cube...

http://www.coolminiornot.com/356718?browseid=12098577

Just paint one of those bad boys up and have him standing on it

Metallic vegetation? I love it! NMM everywhere! Verdigris is pollen to my brass flower! Really, really cool idea. But how exactly to incorporate it? Having trouble envisioning it as a complete scene. I'll definitely think hard on this...

Fluister: Yes, good call. I have a lot of very unique and I think cool shrubbery, flowers and bushes, and I'm dying to put it to use. Let's see what we can do!

 

[BloodFather of Kharnath]

Did what I could with the wings on his helmet. May still have some touch up work on the right side, but I'm happy considering the state of disrepair of my canvas in that side. Modified my recipe for a reddish tinted NMM gold.

 

[Canny]

Dam sweet mate, The nmm looks lighter and bang on now. Highlights have worked wonders and Rose gold ftw. I cant see the join in the pictures well done on the repair.

I love the reclamed water cog look, The metal flowers could be behind as he walks everything around him turns to metal.

 

[BloodFather of Kharnath]

Agree. The more I think on it, the reclaimed nature look is happening. Metal flowers grow from all of the reclaimed cogs or whatever I use. Interesting thoughts, can't wait to put this to practice.

I haven't lightened the armor yet or worked on the glare points. It may just look lighter because of the lighting in me bathroom. In either case, it does look better with proper lighting. And rose gold, eh? Like the sound of that...

 

[Demihuman]

Gold looks great! If you hadn't of pointed out the break I wouldn't notice it. For the base i would be tempted to use unpainted metal pieces. Brass etch foilage or whatever. Just clean 'em and spray them with matte sealer, then add inks to taste. Just make sure that they are less shiny than your paint job.

 

[BloodFather of Kharnath]

But that, DH, is the cardinal sin.

There shalt be no using both NMM and the Devil's TMM on the same project.
-Jesus

I believe it was the Council of Nicea where religious leaders of early Christianity determined that brass etch materials were the same as TMM. I don't make the rules...

 

[MAXXxxx]

> How do I make his base epic and unique?
well apparently you don't want a full flower base , so what about a barren desert with a few tufts/flowers only in places where it has stepped so far? (and a small stream somewhere with a small waterfall too , whether on the alive or on the still dead part is up to you )
fluisterwood's Steampunk idea can be worked into it, the dead part being (shiny) steampunky the flower part being rusty/decomposing + foliage

> freehand
if you go with a KD figure on the cape, then the scans of all the cards I have (and a few extras thanks to Iacton): https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0By8jtRYhiOr1RHFUSXpBUEZDVFE&usp=sharing
OR
you could do a freehand with dead foliage on top and getting more lively toward the bottom (more or less in synch with the base, as if the bottom part touching the ground brings life)


>Milliput on its own is too crumbly for me.
you haven't knead it enough , slowly it becomes more and more smooth as it heats up from your hand . That said mixing it with GS is an old and effectiv way of getting the most from it.

>NMM gold on the head
looking great. I'd probably line the feathers to make them really stand apart.

edit:
sorry, forgot something. If someone who reads this thread has any of the KD figures missing from the directory above: please scan it at 300dpi and send it to me.
Most of what's missing isn't there, because I was late to get the mini/didn't like the mini/mini will be in the KS package.