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[AinuLainour]

Interesting, but Wikipedia is not known to be entirely accurate as anyone can change it.

But even if it is, this means that my grade nine socials teacher (who was a complete tool) and my textbook (which seemed fairly accurate were incorrect!

 

[Sand Rat]

Originally posted by laurence

War. What is it good for? I guess if you violently attack another nation to overthrow a tyrant that oppresses his/her citizens then it\'s possibly okay. So as a means as a last resort step to rescue people from nastiness perhaps it\'s justified. With Japan--this country was viewed as a great threat and somthing had to be done. It seems it was okay to kill over 100\'000 Japanese people because it brought an end to the war.

Umm Laurence, not to stir the pot but there was a bloody good reason the Japanese were seen as a threat -

HOW ABOUT STARTING THE WAR WITH CHINA IN 1936?

HOW ABOUT THE RAPE OF NANKING?

HOW ABOUT THE ACTIVITES OF THE SPECIAL UNITS THAT WERE USING HUMANS AS EXPERIMENTAL ANIMALS? OR THE SIEZURE OF WOMEN TO USE IN MILITARY BROTHELS?

And how about the fact that the Japanese have never apologized for any of these actions and the others that the took during the war? Japan has used and continues to use the \"We\'re the only nation to have been attacked with nuclear weapons\" card to garner sympathy - without publically owning up to the atrocities they have committed in the past.

 

[AinuLainour]

Though I agree with you steelcult, it still wasn\'t right to bomb major cities full of civilians. The Americans could have easily bombed military facilities instead, a and using a nuclear weapon was just plain wrong. :no:

 

[Sand Rat]

You\'re applying todays moral structures to events 60 years in the past and it cant be done.

Besides, why was it wrong for the Allies to bomb Japanese and German cities to the ground and the same does not apply to the Germans and Japanese?

 

[Wolf Fang]

as the creator of this thread ive just about enough of this crap... this thread was ment in rememberance of those who surved and are surving. not to bitch and moan about issues such as these. drop it now or i will ether delete the thread myselfe or get it locked.. if you want to complain take it some where else it is not needed here and ive had just about enough of it. for those of you have responded possitivly i thank you. for the rest of you... go suck a lemon and bicker about things some where else. THANK YOU

 

[MarkusTay]

Sorry Wolfie, I tried a few posts back

@AinuLainour - I am one of the biggest anti-war people on this site, for the simply reason that it is a complete waste of human life. However, if you did just a little research you would realize that the Japanese were not about to surrender, and they were going to make the invading Americans pay for every foot of land taken with blood. They were prepaired to die, the entire race, to the last man, before they would be dishonored. The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki so horrified the Emperor, that he relized the Japanese people did not face an honorable death but rather a cruel and torturous extermination.

It was that alone that convinced him to surrender, and for the first time in Japanese history their Emperor addressed them directly through a radio broadcast.

If the bombs were not dropped, It would have cost milllions of American, British, and Australian lives AND would have lead to the GENOCIDE of the Japanese people. They are alive today BECAUSE we dropped the bombs on them.

\"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few\" --- Mr.Spock

And at the moment those people became war casualties they also became soldiers, and in that they deserved to be remembered on this day as much as any other.

I apologize again Wolf, I really didn\'t want a debate here, it is in VERY poor taste, and I shall not post in this thread again.

 

[Dragonsreach]

There are several reasons I wear a poppy for the Rememberance Day tribute.
Not least, in respect and support of the former Servicemen and Women who\'s actions and sacrifices have provided me with the freedoms that I have enjoyed all my life, but as a continuous tribute to members of my family who served, survived or were killed during conflicts.

George Urwin, Ran away from home. Enlisted under age during the First World War and was killed on his 16th Birthday during the Battle of the Somme. (1)

Tom Grievson, served as a navigator in Mosquito\'s during the Second World War. Returned home to become a teacher. (2)

Jack Grievson Served in the Fleet Air Arm as a pilot and took part in the attack on the Turpitz. Look Here. Returned home to become a Teacher and Headmaster. [2]

Val Cook Served as a Merchant Marine Captain on the North Atlantic convoys. Eventually retired from the sea and lived the rest of his life peacefully in Canada. [3]

Sam Cook Was a Metalurgical Scientist in a reserved occupation. Gave up his status and volunteered as a Pilot in the RAF and was killed flying Halifax Bombers over Benghazi. [3]


(1 My Maternal Grandfathers brother).
(2 My Fathers older Cousins).
(3 My Paternal Grandfathers Cousins).



And Corpuscle: You may not approve, like so many others, of the political reasonings behind the Gulf War/ War on Terror. But the Servicemen and women out there, deserve our respect for doing their duty at the bidding of the politicians WE elected.

 

[supervike]

My Great Granddad, served in the Navy, my other in the Army. Both during WW2 era.

My Great-Uncle served in the Army, was part of the D-Day invasion.

My Father served in Viet Nam.

Thanks to all!!

 

[philologus]

Originally posted by Dragonsreach
There are several reasons I wear a poppy for the Rememberance Day tribute.
Not least, in respect and support of the former Servicemen and Women who\'s actions and sacrifices have provided me with the freedoms that I have enjoyed all my life, but as a continuous tribute to members of my family who served, survived or were killed during conflicts.

George Urwin, Ran away from home. Enlisted under age during the First World War and was killed on his 16th Birthday during the Battle of the Somme. (1)

Tom Grievson, served as a navigator in Mosquito\'s during the Second World War. Returned home to become a teacher. (2)

Jack Grievson Served in the Fleet Air Arm as a pilot and took part in the attack on the Turpitz. Look Here. Returned home to become a Teacher and Headmaster. [2]

Val Cook Served as a Merchant Marine Captain on the North Atlantic convoys. Eventually retired from the sea and lived the rest of his life peacefully in Canada. [3]

Sam Cook Was a Metalurgical Scientist in a reserved occupation. Gave up his status and volunteered as a Pilot in the RAF and was killed flying Halifax Bombers over Benghazi. [3]


(1 My Maternal Grandfathers brother).
(2 My Fathers older Cousins).
(3 My Paternal Grandfathers Cousins).



And Corpuscle: You may not approve, like so many others, of the political reasonings behind the Gulf War/ War on Terror. But the Servicemen and women out there, deserve our respect for doing their duty at the bidding of the politicians WE elected.

Well said DR.

 

[vincegamer]

Originally posted by laurence

Originally posted by finn18
There is a quote along the lines of....I disagree with your views but I would fight for your right to express them....???

One of my all time favorite quotes by a fine philosopher. Good ol\' Voltaire!

If it\'s one of your favorites, then perhaps you should stop misappropriating it.

It wasn\'t Voltaire, it was Evelyn Beatrice Hall.

[edit] sorry. I posted before finishing the thread and see someone else corrected you.

p.s. We had this discussion already
Here

 

[vincegamer]

Originally posted by steelcult
And how about the fact that the Japanese have never apologized for any of these actions and the others that the took during the war?

Actually, Japan has apologized for some of their attrocities, though many feel the apologies are not enough, or at least are not clearly enough a statement of the government.
Japenes Apologies

 

[Thecadian]

I just hope that people of my generation appreciate what has happened and is happening at the moment.Some kids at my school are unbelieveable they dont care for anyone except themselves.When all the WW1/2 veterens have departed i hope that these people still appreciate what they gave up for them.Im not overly religios but standing for the 2 minutes at rememberance day parade still sends a shiver down my back

Its just a shame more people of my age werent there.

james

 

[Torn blue sky]

I honestly can\'t believe this was turned into a debate.
For all the people that died for what you all believe in, and a life they freely gave, theres always a bone to pick. Shame.

I salute the soldiers of our nations for what they did and all the friends they lost in doing so.
Bless each and every one of them.