A Positive View on Games Workshop

[mattsterbenz]

GW is putting most of their profits into making more molds. Plastic molds are very expensive, they dont start making profits right away.

 

[Dark Seraphim]

Originally posted by finn17
They killed themselves...

Whatever actions they are taking now to try and correct the mis-management of the last decade or so is probably going to be too little and too late.

They are raising their prices IMO because their financiers have told them do do so in order to salvage as much of their investments as possible.

But don\'t take my word for it..look at the figures..

Looks to me like they are in + and the curves are going up?

They are expanding all the time, everywhere, manufacturing new games/minis and promoting.

Actually, that graph isn\'t bad at all...

@Finn\'s Edit!: hehe.. yes, quit gaming comment was ment to be towards: Quit gaming GW games... Exactly, take your buisness elsewhere if you don\'t like it.

 

[finn17]

LOL....

Since 2004???

GW squandered millions on the LOTR fiasco and were already in trouble well before that:innocent:

 

[Dark Seraphim]

Originally posted by finn17
Since 2004???

GW squandered millions on the LOTR fiasco and were already in trouble well before that:innocent:

It\'s 2005... but..

Yes! It\'s the LOTR fault! I concure! If GW ever made a waste of a game (not counting Gorkamorka, wich was actually a bit of fun) it was LOTR!

I say kill LOTR like the other games... end it\'s life now...

 

[mattsterbenz]

Originally posted by Dark Seraphim

Originally posted by finn17
Since 2004???

GW squandered millions on the LOTR fiasco and were already in trouble well before that:innocent:

It\'s 2005... but..

Yes! It\'s the LOTR fault! I concure! If GW ever made a waste of a game (not counting Gorkamorka, wich was actually a bit of fun) it was LOTR!

I say kill LOTR like the other games... end it\'s life now...

Apparently LOTR is doing well enough. GW -=EXTENDED=- the contract with Tolkein enterprises, and re-worded the contract (thats why bits are suddenly available for that range)

 

[finn17]

That was actually a response to Matt...

The graph starts in 2004....

I am glad you guys are happy with GW and I hope they sort things out, but you will notice a common theme throughout this thread...All the older posters are disillusioned with GW, because we remember what they once were...that\'s why we seem to have a \'down\' on them.

 

[vincegamer]

Originally posted by Dark SeraphimAmen or not, the game is still supported in some way.

People find ways to deal with these things you say, like making their own boards, markers and rulers. It\'s not that hard, what would be hard would be the minis, and they are as said still supported.

And I disagree with you. The hard part is the scenarios. I can always substitute minis. I don\'t know how to create a balanced scenario, and I don\'t have the resources to play-test my experiments. Sure, I could make my own boards, but that\'s definitely not \"support.\" Think of it like software. Sure, there are plenty of programs out there that will run on a Windows 95 system. However, if something goes wrong with the structure, saying you can just code your own OS is not \"supporting\" the system. It\'s been abandoned. You can work around it, but you\'re not getting any help from the manufacturer.

 

[Dammekkos2]

Originally posted by Spacemunkie
Dunno where all this 25% increase cack has come from. In 1999/2000, boxes of plastic troops cost £12. They now cost £18. That\'s a 50% increase in 6 years when the average inflation rate has been 2.5%. By rights, they should only cost around £14!

And when I went in there on Saturday (yes, I admit it, I went into a GW...) to get the latest WD with the GD winners booklet in it, I got harrassed by some numpty staff member who incessantly tried to sell me stuff. He followed me all around the shop gabbing away. I had to tell him to go away in the end. I hate that sort of thing. I must have looked like some drippy teeny pleb.....

I dug out a couple o white dwarfs the other day to see the necro stuff (i\'m painting a new gang). The van saar and redemptionists (and everything else) used to be £10 a box. They\'re now £20 - can\'t be more than 10 years old, those WDs I was checking.

MasterBenz - please don\'t tell us what we \"have to realise\" lol This conversation is as old as a very old thing.

 

[mattsterbenz]

Yes, people are living in the past. My response is today is TODAY, prices rise, things change. Deal with it, or shop somewhere else, just dont come in to my store with that e-bay bought army, play for hours, and never spend a dime!

 

[Evil Dave]

Editted: Vince said it better.

 

[Dark Seraphim]

Originally posted by mattsterbenz

Originally posted by Dark Seraphim

Originally posted by finn17
Since 2004???

GW squandered millions on the LOTR fiasco and were already in trouble well before that:innocent:

It\'s 2005... but..

Yes! It\'s the LOTR fault! I concure! If GW ever made a waste of a game (not counting Gorkamorka, wich was actually a bit of fun) it was LOTR!

I say kill LOTR like the other games... end it\'s life now...

Apparently LOTR is doing well enough. GW -=EXTENDED=- the contract with Tolkein enterprises, and re-worded the contract (thats why bits are suddenly available for that range)

Yeah, it\'s actually just because I\'m not too fond of that game at all... and I don\'t really like most of the minis hehe..

Finn: Yes, I like GW, but I am an oldie too... and I know that times change. If you go into a store, you will find the same enthusiasm there as you would 10 years ago. If you don\'t, someone made an error hiring that guy...

 

[Dark Seraphim]

Originally posted by vincegamer

Originally posted by Dark SeraphimAmen or not, the game is still supported in some way.

People find ways to deal with these things you say, like making their own boards, markers and rulers. It\'s not that hard, what would be hard would be the minis, and they are as said still supported.

And I disagree with you. The hard part is the scenarios. I can always substitute minis. I don\'t know how to create a balanced scenario, and I don\'t have the resources to play-test my experiments. Sure, I could make my own boards, but that\'s definitely not \"support.\" Think of it like software. Sure, there are plenty of programs out there that will run on a Windows 95 system. However, if something goes wrong with the structure, saying you can just code your own OS is not \"supporting\" the system. It\'s been abandoned. You can work around it, but you\'re not getting any help from the manufacturer.

Support can be entrepted in different ways, of course.

Could call it: Kept alive for the sake of the oldies that still want to play discontinued games, but not to such a degree that the game is easy to play or start up from scratch.

hee...

Thing is, GW discontinued these games for one reason and one reason only, sales. And it is in the minds of every single manufacturer out there that if something doesn\'t sell, you don\'t produce it anymore.

All I\'m saying, at least they have kept some of the aspects of the games.

I too are sad that Mordheim and Blood Bowl in particular isn\'t supported as much as I would like them to be, but we are creative, so we can work around it ! Right?!

 

[Jericho]

I think there\'s some new BloodBowl teams coming out this year... I remember hearing something about that on some Games Day thread a few weeks ago.

 

[mattsterbenz]

Originally posted by vincegamer

Originally posted by Dark SeraphimAmen or not, the game is still supported in some way.

People find ways to deal with these things you say, like making their own boards, markers and rulers. It\'s not that hard, what would be hard would be the minis, and they are as said still supported.

And I disagree with you. The hard part is the scenarios. I can always substitute minis. I don\'t know how to create a balanced scenario, and I don\'t have the resources to play-test my experiments. Sure, I could make my own boards, but that\'s definitely not \"support.\" Think of it like software. Sure, there are plenty of programs out there that will run on a Windows 95 system. However, if something goes wrong with the structure, saying you can just code your own OS is not \"supporting\" the system. It\'s been abandoned. You can work around it, but you\'re not getting any help from the manufacturer.

Good luck finding a Nintendo Power magazine that still mentions the 1988 version of Tetris! Not to mention a game from a year ago. GW \"abandons\" crappy games that no one plays. The better games get mentioned in White Dwarf from time to time, have free rules downloads, and you can subsitute all models with current ones. Also, Independent retailers can order all specialist games (my store has BFG, blood bowl, necromunda, and mordheim starters/rulebooks, and access to every blister (SEALED))

 

[Dammekkos2]

Originally posted by mattsterbenz
Yes, people are living in the past. My response is today is TODAY, prices rise, things change. Deal with it, or shop somewhere else, just dont come in to my store with that e-bay bought army, play for hours, and never spend a dime!

There\'s no danger of that son.

 

[Evil Dave]

@Dark Serephim

So would you consider the Squats supported?
The Harlequins?

 

[Jericho]

Harlequins are getting a 4th edition ruleset, if Games Day Seminars are to be believed.

Squats, however, aren\'t coming back because they were a silly idea.

 

[DrEvilmonki]

Originally posted by finn17
The graph starts in 2004....

I am glad you guys are happy with GW and I hope they sort things out, but you will notice a common theme throughout this thread...All the older posters are disillusioned with GW, because we remember what they once were...that\'s why we seem to have a \'down\' on them.

I might not have been gaming as long as some here but I did start 18 years ago and I am fine with GW. Times change, new stuff comes along, games that don\'t perform get dropped (space hulk would be my favourite game by the way). If you want to live in the past or go on about how much better everything used to be, well thats up to you.

 

[Evil Dave]

Originally posted by Jericho
Harlequins are getting a 4th edition ruleset, if Games Day Seminars are to be believed.

Squats, however, aren\'t coming back because they were a silly idea.

And gretchin and Orks are not?

We had a large group of squat players who paid a lot of money for their armies, for them to be dropped flat.

Harlequins have been around what 20+ years and they\'re just getting a codex, c\'mon.

 

[Dark Seraphim]

Originally posted by Evil Dave
@Dark Serephim

So would you consider the Squats supported?
The Harlequins?

To some degree, yes.. they are supported. You can still get them and you can find army lists for Harlequins out there...

It\'s what you make of it really, because GW have given the oppertunaty for people to keep the races alive...

Besides... Harlequins have always been overpowered