Originally posted by mattsterbenz
What about Warmachine\'s Super heavy jack (i dont recall the name, but it\'s the biggest they make) Its about the size of a dreadnought, for $50. That does not even sound like a swindle to me. Why dont you complain about that one?
Here I assume you\'re referring to the Khador Behemoth or quite possibly the Deathjack, as those two run $50. They are, however, significantly bigger than a dreadnought from 40K, and (unlike the dreads now?) are pure metal.
(If you don\'t believe me on the size, just compare pictures of a Cryx Slayer--which is roughly the same size as a dread--and that Behemoth, keeping in mind they\'re on the same size (40mm) base...)
I wasn\'t going to respond to this thread at all, but I figured I\'d act immature like everyone else and throw more gas on the fire.
Yes, GW did some good things for the hobby. They did a good deal in marketing it towards the \"average\" schmuck, making fantasy miniature gaming not quite as much a thing that 40-year-olds living in their parents\' basements did. Sure, they helped push some of the quality levels to what we see now (comparing some old Citadel minis with Grenadier usually wound up with Citadel in a better light in my eyes), and definitely has been home to some truly creative and great sculptors in the industry (Elliot, McVey, and several others that I can\'t think of at the moment).
Ral Partha did a lot for the miniatures industry, too (though not the game side--they never could put a decent ruleset out), as did several other companies. Partha isn\'t around anymore, and neither are several other companies.
But...from everything I\'ve read in this thread, I have to agree with the \"Coffin Dodgers\": GW has passed their prime, and is probably on the decline mainly due to an arrogance that their stuff is the pinnacle, and everyone else makes crap. What is unfortunate is that GW *is* so pervasive that they are seen by many younger hobbyists
as the industry. Quite simply, GW is
not the miniature gaming industry, despite what they tell you when you go to one of their stores.
Is Privateer Press
the industry? No. Is Rackham? No. No single company is the entirety of the industry, and that\'s a good thing. As long as there are multiple companies out there, then we\'ll see competition (not just for cash--for reputation of which is \'best\' for sculpts, rules, point-to-dollar ratios, cheezits, whatever), and that will keep the industry evolving. In evolution, it\'s inevitable that some things (in this case, companies) will die--as I illustrated before, other great companies have already joined the dodo.
Right now, I\'m into Warmachine, because it\'s a fun game, the models are cool, and the setting is cool. These three things are what I
used to enjoy about 40k. I still think the setting is kind of cool, and many of the models are cool, too. But I don\'t find the game fun, so I really have zero reason to buy any more from them. I\'ll quit buying from Privateer Press, too, the day I don\'t enjoy the game anymore, and will (like anyone else who actually thinks and makes their own decisions, rather than being spoon fed by market-droids) find a game that meets what I want.
For myself, I don\'t buy GW stuff anymore, because I dislike the way the rules have changed (I enjoyed 40k v2), I dislike the cost it takes to build a \"playable\" army (which, as others have pointed out, is ever increasing), I dislike the fact that revisions of the rules in the future may--if they follow precedence--make models I currently own unplayable, and I really dislike sycophantic fanboys.
