A Positive View on Games Workshop
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green stuff
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Soon people will be saying that Rackham and Ilyad started itMessage original : Ritual
It\'s a conspiracy!!!
.james sequeira
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*homer voice* ahh were doomed doomed i tell ya
goes into a mad laughter
goes into a mad laughter
You\'ve got to be kidding.
All I will say is that back in the day I got thirty marines for thirty bucks. I used to ould order direct from thier catalog the exact mini I wanted. I understand inflation/economics/business but GW is pricing themselves out of the market. Not all retailers can afford the minimum order. That doesn\'t bode wel for GW limiting the places you can play. They ave recentralized thier market ok.. but doing so has cost them players. Also there 18 month promotion of games and then dropping support until the next version comes out leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I don\'t need GW, and they by thier actions have said they don\'t need me.. It\'s a win win situation.. I keep my money and GW plods along. But money is getting tighter..
All I will say is that back in the day I got thirty marines for thirty bucks. I used to ould order direct from thier catalog the exact mini I wanted. I understand inflation/economics/business but GW is pricing themselves out of the market. Not all retailers can afford the minimum order. That doesn\'t bode wel for GW limiting the places you can play. They ave recentralized thier market ok.. but doing so has cost them players. Also there 18 month promotion of games and then dropping support until the next version comes out leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I don\'t need GW, and they by thier actions have said they don\'t need me.. It\'s a win win situation.. I keep my money and GW plods along. But money is getting tighter..
GoblinOperargh
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A short post
OK, first my credentials, so you know who\'s speaking.
- First mini ever painted: Some Ral Partha Knight
- First time got into GW stuff: \'95
- Dropped out of it: \'95
- Picked it up again: This summer
- Own models from companies:
> GW
> Zvezda
> Italeri
> Hat
> EM-4
Right, on with the subject. Here\'s my points, in favour of GW.
1. After starting to play and paint again this summer, in September I moved into a foreign country, where I am living now.
Once settled, I went straight to the local GW to buy some stuff. The staff there was very friendly (didn\'t jump at my throat to sell me unnecessary things), helped me with getting further back in the game and were jolly good chaps all around.
I made some new friends in the shop and the local gaming club and, being still new in town, the guys from the club and the shop are still my circle of closest acquaintances \'round here.
I find that, as the add goes, priceless.
2. If it wasn\'t for GW and the \'Eavy Metal team, we \'d still be painting in block colours.
3. To tell the truth, I don\'t really like the rules for either WHFB or 40K and I find the way they \'re written sloppy and ineffectively worded.
However, and I say that with about 12 years of experience of rulebooks and supplements (mainly RPGs) under my belt, the WH40K rulebook is one of the best ever gaming sourcebooks I \'ve seen printed. Ever.
Half the book is rules. Fine. The other half is about everything else you might be interested in while playing the damn game and in bloody colour too.
Every single penny I spent on it was worth it.
4. GW are not innovative? I \'m sorry? Have you seen the Tau? People actualy have issues with them because they feel they \'re taking the game in new directions. Well, imagine that!
5. I think that their stuff is worth the high prices. As you notice in my CV above, I do buy other companie\'s minis, so I have a perspective.
The prices would be more manageable if people finished painting and modelling a unit before buying the next. That\'s hard to do because of the way the rules favour big battles. That\'s a fault of the rules and I did say I believe they \'re lacking.
On the other hand, as has been said by others, the scope of the games is geared toward epic battles (with the exception of LOTR which is geared towards milking the property cow). They should be expected to cost a little bit more than skirmish games.
6. I actually feel all warm inside knowing that a bunch of people that sell little toy soldiers make a buttload of money out of them. Gamers making money out of games? Why wouldn\'t every gamer feel all warm inside knowing that?
I \'ve noticed quite a few of the people on this thread are either in the business or have been... as employees of GW.
Well, if GW is ran by suits who know nothing about gaming, how come they employed you guys and not some dumb bimbo with a pert butt, or a trendy guy with a degree in Business Management?
7. Somebody said something about all the old gamers having deserted the company. Oh, come on, who\'s not an old hand in GW? Gav Thorpe? John Blanche? Andy Chambers? The Perrys??
You guys feel those people betrayed the game? That they sold out? Well, that sounds like the accusations of fans against their favourite bands everytime a new album comes out. Point is, those people made the game what it is today by making it what it used to be. So some of us tagged along for the ride and after all these years some feel the first days were glorious and nothing will bring them back and today is crap and we \'d better scrap it all and start fresh with Confrontation.
Well, I \'m starting fresh now and I can tell you with my hand on my heart that the new ride is every bit as exciting as it was the first time around, a decade ago.
So, stop growing up. GW rocks.
... All personnal opinions you understand. And please correct me where you feel I \'m making a fool of myself, thank you.
OK, first my credentials, so you know who\'s speaking.
- First mini ever painted: Some Ral Partha Knight
- First time got into GW stuff: \'95
- Dropped out of it: \'95
- Picked it up again: This summer
- Own models from companies:
> GW
> Zvezda
> Italeri
> Hat
> EM-4
Right, on with the subject. Here\'s my points, in favour of GW.
1. After starting to play and paint again this summer, in September I moved into a foreign country, where I am living now.
Once settled, I went straight to the local GW to buy some stuff. The staff there was very friendly (didn\'t jump at my throat to sell me unnecessary things), helped me with getting further back in the game and were jolly good chaps all around.
I made some new friends in the shop and the local gaming club and, being still new in town, the guys from the club and the shop are still my circle of closest acquaintances \'round here.
I find that, as the add goes, priceless.
2. If it wasn\'t for GW and the \'Eavy Metal team, we \'d still be painting in block colours.
3. To tell the truth, I don\'t really like the rules for either WHFB or 40K and I find the way they \'re written sloppy and ineffectively worded.
However, and I say that with about 12 years of experience of rulebooks and supplements (mainly RPGs) under my belt, the WH40K rulebook is one of the best ever gaming sourcebooks I \'ve seen printed. Ever.
Half the book is rules. Fine. The other half is about everything else you might be interested in while playing the damn game and in bloody colour too.
Every single penny I spent on it was worth it.
4. GW are not innovative? I \'m sorry? Have you seen the Tau? People actualy have issues with them because they feel they \'re taking the game in new directions. Well, imagine that!
5. I think that their stuff is worth the high prices. As you notice in my CV above, I do buy other companie\'s minis, so I have a perspective.
The prices would be more manageable if people finished painting and modelling a unit before buying the next. That\'s hard to do because of the way the rules favour big battles. That\'s a fault of the rules and I did say I believe they \'re lacking.
On the other hand, as has been said by others, the scope of the games is geared toward epic battles (with the exception of LOTR which is geared towards milking the property cow). They should be expected to cost a little bit more than skirmish games.
6. I actually feel all warm inside knowing that a bunch of people that sell little toy soldiers make a buttload of money out of them. Gamers making money out of games? Why wouldn\'t every gamer feel all warm inside knowing that?
I \'ve noticed quite a few of the people on this thread are either in the business or have been... as employees of GW.
Well, if GW is ran by suits who know nothing about gaming, how come they employed you guys and not some dumb bimbo with a pert butt, or a trendy guy with a degree in Business Management?
7. Somebody said something about all the old gamers having deserted the company. Oh, come on, who\'s not an old hand in GW? Gav Thorpe? John Blanche? Andy Chambers? The Perrys??
You guys feel those people betrayed the game? That they sold out? Well, that sounds like the accusations of fans against their favourite bands everytime a new album comes out. Point is, those people made the game what it is today by making it what it used to be. So some of us tagged along for the ride and after all these years some feel the first days were glorious and nothing will bring them back and today is crap and we \'d better scrap it all and start fresh with Confrontation.
Well, I \'m starting fresh now and I can tell you with my hand on my heart that the new ride is every bit as exciting as it was the first time around, a decade ago.
So, stop growing up. GW rocks.
... All personnal opinions you understand. And please correct me where you feel I \'m making a fool of myself, thank you.
M
Marmoset
Guest
Here is a fact I learnt from one of the big guys on GW online...
\'Why so you not make all models plastic? It is surely cheaper in production as well as consumer price, and the detail is just as good?\' I asked.
Apparently it is to do with moulds. Even though plastic models are cheaper to produce (and therefore to buy) in the long run, the initial set-up production costs are very high. Steel moulds are used for making plastic mdoels, and GW needs to comission companies to make the moulds for a very high price. Moulds for metal models are different, and a lot cheaper. Apparently the steel moulds don\'t wear out though, and last longer... anyway, the reason not all models are plastic is because of these high set-up costs. GW has to be sure that the model(s) in plastic will sell well, so that they will continue producing and selling them for a long time to make the set-up costs worth it. Notice the new plastic giant; the new carnifex; these were models that normally would have had a lost of metal, but GW knew that they were going to be so popular that it was worth making them in plastic. It is similar for LOTR, nearly all models apart from special characters are plastic, because so many people (boys who discover Warhammer through the movies and wanna buy them in particular, myself not included).
I hope all this makes sense, and it is slightly unrelated... but that\'s why
Happy painting
~Bill
[edit]And I agree with Jericho very well put. GW have their faults, but still deliver [/edit]
\'Why so you not make all models plastic? It is surely cheaper in production as well as consumer price, and the detail is just as good?\' I asked.
Apparently it is to do with moulds. Even though plastic models are cheaper to produce (and therefore to buy) in the long run, the initial set-up production costs are very high. Steel moulds are used for making plastic mdoels, and GW needs to comission companies to make the moulds for a very high price. Moulds for metal models are different, and a lot cheaper. Apparently the steel moulds don\'t wear out though, and last longer... anyway, the reason not all models are plastic is because of these high set-up costs. GW has to be sure that the model(s) in plastic will sell well, so that they will continue producing and selling them for a long time to make the set-up costs worth it. Notice the new plastic giant; the new carnifex; these were models that normally would have had a lost of metal, but GW knew that they were going to be so popular that it was worth making them in plastic. It is similar for LOTR, nearly all models apart from special characters are plastic, because so many people (boys who discover Warhammer through the movies and wanna buy them in particular, myself not included
). I hope all this makes sense, and it is slightly unrelated... but that\'s why
Happy painting
~Bill
[edit]And I agree with Jericho very well put. GW have their faults, but still deliver
[/edit]Dammekkos2
New member
...and that\'s when the half truths started... lollol
Seriously though, there are some details that will never be possible in plastic. I said that in my first post in this thread. It\'s obvious just by looking at the difference between metals and plastics. I\'m sure one of the pro sculptors here (like Steve Buddle) could confirm this.
There is way more to the plastic/pewter casting debate than simple setup costs. GW\'s latest investments in technology should help keep costs down and actually allow moulds to get up and running faster as well.
Anyway there\'s labor concerns all over the place, consistency of results, sheer amount of detail and flexibility in terms of poses, you name it.
Plastic frames will never replace blisters completely.
Anyway there\'s labor concerns all over the place, consistency of results, sheer amount of detail and flexibility in terms of poses, you name it.
Plastic frames will never replace blisters completely.
DrEvilmonki
Active member
Thats just silly. Never? Sounds like the guy from IBM who said there would never be more than 8 computers in the world (paraphrasing). Look how far the technology has progressed in just a few short years. The reality is more likely that in a few more years there will be no differnece between what can be achieved between the two mediums.
Why waste time?
If you like GW then good for you. It\'s unlikely you will be persuaded by those who don\'t.
If you don\'t like GW then good for you. It\'s unlikely you will be persuaded by those who do.
My only problem with the whole affair, is that I wish those who do like GW would stop evangelising and let the poor heathens who are into Rackham, Warmachine, VOID etc have some bloody peace!
If you like GW then good for you. It\'s unlikely you will be persuaded by those who don\'t.
If you don\'t like GW then good for you. It\'s unlikely you will be persuaded by those who do.
My only problem with the whole affair, is that I wish those who do like GW would stop evangelising and let the poor heathens who are into Rackham, Warmachine, VOID etc have some bloody peace!
DrEvilmonki
Active member
If you think it\'s a waste of your time then don\'t read the threads
Personaly I have no probelem with threads like this or the debate on either side even if it does get a bit silly from time to time.
I get the feeling that it\'s mostly the other way around. There are definitely more GW diablo than amore threads. It\'s like GW only has to raise the price of a single product or release a new sculpt, and all the monkeys are banging their drums again. I know I\'m one of them, but; all this banging is giving me a damn headache.
Not that I haven\'t realised it before, but in a moment of weakness, I genuinely feel sorry that you have to read all the crap we talk... (moment over) lolOriginally posted by finn17
And, Ritual is correct....
Yeah, you are probably right...
. Anti-GW threads don\'t just appear out of the blue...
And I thank you for your concern...
But isn\'t that understandable? GW aside...someone raises their price...people complain. I think people complain about GW because GW does lots of things that irritate people. People just don\'t catch a virus that makes them wake up one morning hating GW, it\'s generally a long and lengthy process of being treated like a twat.
. Anti-GW threads don\'t just appear out of the blue...And I thank you for your concern...
Not dead yet ?
* Totally cracked up*
When I though everything was said, you guys go for another full page lol
Now it kind of look like closing hour at the pub with only two very old regular there, drunk, tired, and arguing on something they kind of agree on...
Like they did everynight for the past years...
But, go on, go on, just wanted to share the mental imagery...
* Totally cracked up*
When I though everything was said, you guys go for another full page lol
Now it kind of look like closing hour at the pub with only two very old regular there, drunk, tired, and arguing on something they kind of agree on...
Like they did everynight for the past years...
But, go on, go on, just wanted to share the mental imagery...
RedSevenBlue
New member
so when are the moderators gonna shut this one down?lol
DrEvilmonki
Active member
Originally posted by finn17
My concern was for the people who spent time posting great, long screeds, not the readers.
And, Ritual is correct....
lol Well thats a fair point really isn\'t it!
