A word from Victor Hardy
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sorry borg....
But stating that Victor can paint like all get out AND is a successful LAWYER is not endearing him to many...Go ahead and tell me he is married to a supermodel too....
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kidding only kidding...
I\'d love to see this latest work. It sounds like it is not art just for shock\'s sake (which some artists confuse with skill), but he certainly seems to have justifyable imagry and influences. Of course 500 hundred plus hours gives you plenty of time to think about that sort of thing....
But stating that Victor can paint like all get out AND is a successful LAWYER is not endearing him to many...Go ahead and tell me he is married to a supermodel too....
:bouncy::bouncy::bouncy:
kidding only kidding...
I\'d love to see this latest work. It sounds like it is not art just for shock\'s sake (which some artists confuse with skill), but he certainly seems to have justifyable imagry and influences. Of course 500 hundred plus hours gives you plenty of time to think about that sort of thing....
Infidel Castro
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Fair play about the Madonna, put the point still holds up. It\'s just another logical step really. I\'m going to go find some other GD stuff from back in the late 80\'s and early 90\'s to see if anyone ever attempted something like it before 
Herb the bitter
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GW respects the Almighty Dollar more than any painter. That said, every painter deserves the same amount of respect from GW regardless of how much time they take to paint a figure.
Here\'s the Yahoo group site:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mini-painter/
heh, I dunno, it seems to me that everybodsy is again missing the point. golden Demon isn\'t about the painter\'s interpretation, but GW\'s, more so in the Uk than anywhere else. It was a nice piece, but the conversion work was very static, and going OTT onthe freehand didn\'t do the overall atmosphere of the piece justice. It was very american in style, and if he had done his homework, he\'d have known that he wouldn\'t place with it.
I do think that it\'s funny that he\'s namedropping merrett, since he\'s got a slight problem viewing colours....
I do think that it\'s funny that he\'s namedropping merrett, since he\'s got a slight problem viewing colours....
Hmm. My 2p: as far as I can tell, the picture was a depiction of the Madonna and Child?
There\'s the thing, I think. While there are analogies between Jesus and the Emperor, AFAIK the Emperor didn\'t have a nativity story. In that case it\'d be a bit hard to argue \'no, it\'s about the imperial faith, see?\'
Also, you can argue that demons etc. are part of judeochristian beliefs; but you won\'t find many followers of the faiths with pictures of \'em hanging in their homes.
Personally I think that\'s the problem people would have; coupled with the thought that - whatever his intentions - Victor thought up the scene and then devoted 500 hours to lovingly and painstakingly painting it.
Yeah, I know. I read the bit about Michaelangelo.
There\'s the thing, I think. While there are analogies between Jesus and the Emperor, AFAIK the Emperor didn\'t have a nativity story. In that case it\'d be a bit hard to argue \'no, it\'s about the imperial faith, see?\'
Also, you can argue that demons etc. are part of judeochristian beliefs; but you won\'t find many followers of the faiths with pictures of \'em hanging in their homes.
Personally I think that\'s the problem people would have; coupled with the thought that - whatever his intentions - Victor thought up the scene and then devoted 500 hours to lovingly and painstakingly painting it.
Yeah, I know. I read the bit about Michaelangelo.
Unfortunately the piece did break the guidelines (however look at a certain GD 2005 Paris winning piece & where is the consistancy??). I feel that reworking the piece to reenter is not in the spirit of the competition, I noticed a couple of non-placed GD2004 Paris pieces were rentered in UK 2004 & got placed! Comments were made by other winning guys about this & they were not impressed!
I also agree with Tammy regarding the actual piece itsself.
Neil
I also agree with Tammy regarding the actual piece itsself.
Neil
The bottom line, is we\'re all playing in GW\'s sandbox, and it\'s their rules, take it or leave it. The Golden Demons are essentually a brilliant marketing technique of getting world class paint jobs to promote their miniatures and game (and make people pay to give them away). And at the end of the day, ultimately the images are just used to fill the pages of their magazine to increase sales.
So when they decide they don\'t want certain imagery to promote their product and fill the pages of their magazine, it\'s their decision. The decision on this piece makes sense to me ever since I saw photos of it leaked after last years GD UK, especially with the power of the Church throughout the world.
I promise you, that if the church caught wind of the piece and it pissed them off, and they made a statement about it, GW would loose WAY more sales than in disqualifying the piece, distancing themselves from it, and maybe pissing off a couple painters, who are mostly likely going to keep buying and painting their product anyway.
So reguardless of how quality a person or artist Victor is (which I don\'t think anyone is really questioning), that is basically irrelevant in the discussion.
And despite all this, I still dream to enter and try to win something at a GD, because despite the flaws, it\'s still as good as it gets in mini painting right now. And the chance of ever getting a purely art-driven and inspired competition at the level of a GD is almost non-existant.
So, take it or leave it, complaining about it falls on deaf ears. The only way to change it is with $$$\'s, and basically to gain enough momentum in convincing people what to do with their $$$\'s that you\'re influence is greater than that of the Church (in this case). And let me be the first to say...that\'s not going to happen.
-Eric
So when they decide they don\'t want certain imagery to promote their product and fill the pages of their magazine, it\'s their decision. The decision on this piece makes sense to me ever since I saw photos of it leaked after last years GD UK, especially with the power of the Church throughout the world.
I promise you, that if the church caught wind of the piece and it pissed them off, and they made a statement about it, GW would loose WAY more sales than in disqualifying the piece, distancing themselves from it, and maybe pissing off a couple painters, who are mostly likely going to keep buying and painting their product anyway.
So reguardless of how quality a person or artist Victor is (which I don\'t think anyone is really questioning), that is basically irrelevant in the discussion.
And despite all this, I still dream to enter and try to win something at a GD, because despite the flaws, it\'s still as good as it gets in mini painting right now. And the chance of ever getting a purely art-driven and inspired competition at the level of a GD is almost non-existant.
So, take it or leave it, complaining about it falls on deaf ears. The only way to change it is with $$$\'s, and basically to gain enough momentum in convincing people what to do with their $$$\'s that you\'re influence is greater than that of the Church (in this case). And let me be the first to say...that\'s not going to happen.
-Eric
Ebonbuddha
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I seriously doubt the Church can do anything. Whenever the Church complains, people either (A) Ignore them. (B) Go to see what all of the fuss is about (C) Do it to contridict them.lol
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Old news. Who gives a shit?
GW are a set of tuggers. We already know that
GW are a set of tuggers. We already know that
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Father Ted: \"Down with this sort of thing!\"
Dougal: \"Steady now!\"
Dougal: \"Steady now!\"
Not trying to be argumentitive(yes i am) but what do you mean by that?
Do you mean that had he \'done\' his homework, he would\'ve known that an \'American\' style would never place in the UK? Or that \'OTT\' stuff doesn\'t make it in the UK?
Of course, its all moot, since it was disqualified...We\'ll never know if it would have placed or not....
@ericJ: There is much, much better then the GD in terms of mini painting competition. Andrea sponsors one. And there\'s another one ( can\'t recall the name) wich is a worldwide competition for all minis ( historical, fantasy, sci-fi, gw or not, ect. ). And just to give you an idea of the level there jeremy bonamant didn\'t even get bronze. That is knowing that there isn\'t a set number of medals, so there could very well be 50 gold if 50 people deserve gold.
Braveheart712
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Just read the thread all the way through and my thoughts are as follows...
Yeah, GW sucks, that\'s a given. They have written a purposefully ambiguous set of guidelines so that basically they can play the God card to anything that doesn\'t fit in their grand scheme of things. I am curious as to what Victor\'s piece actually looked like, but it sounds like a more toned down version will eventually resurface. I like the idea that he took a chance and pushed the envelope in iconograhy, but like many innovaters, sometimes their new perspective is not appreciated or warmly received. From what I can conclude is that if you hope to win a GD you must give GW a nice warm and fuzzy piece that fits neatly \"in the box\" and that will lend itself to advertising the GW line, no big suprise there! I guess it all goes back to why anyone paints, self expression, relaxation, as a business, or to have a mantle full of hardware won at competitions. Whatever the case may be, I think Victor expressed his feelings well, far more controlled than I would have been, and for that he should be applauded.
@ Reverend- Rarely do I agree with you, but you comments were right on target, nice job!
@Minigirl- American style? What a bunch of crap... The styles all depend on the artist, you make it sound like there is a US painting manual detailing how to paint for your country. Talent should be respected no matter where you\'re from.
Yeah, GW sucks, that\'s a given. They have written a purposefully ambiguous set of guidelines so that basically they can play the God card to anything that doesn\'t fit in their grand scheme of things. I am curious as to what Victor\'s piece actually looked like, but it sounds like a more toned down version will eventually resurface. I like the idea that he took a chance and pushed the envelope in iconograhy, but like many innovaters, sometimes their new perspective is not appreciated or warmly received. From what I can conclude is that if you hope to win a GD you must give GW a nice warm and fuzzy piece that fits neatly \"in the box\" and that will lend itself to advertising the GW line, no big suprise there! I guess it all goes back to why anyone paints, self expression, relaxation, as a business, or to have a mantle full of hardware won at competitions. Whatever the case may be, I think Victor expressed his feelings well, far more controlled than I would have been, and for that he should be applauded.
@ Reverend- Rarely do I agree with you, but you comments were right on target, nice job!
@Minigirl- American style? What a bunch of crap... The styles all depend on the artist, you make it sound like there is a US painting manual detailing how to paint for your country. Talent should be respected no matter where you\'re from.
