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Evil Dave

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Originally posted by torifile
Its everywhere, whether we want it or not, get it????
I guess I don\'t. Living in a rural area, it seems this doesn\'t seem to be a problem here.
So you\'re telling me that an asthmatic will have an attack by walking through a brief cloud of smoke to go into a store?
Why not when they\'re on the highway with all the car exhaust or in parking lots?...Were they running to get through the cloud? What about smog or burning leaves?

Or how about this: I once had a roommate, whose GF was \'severly Asthmatic (? spelling)\" couldn\'t stand my smoking. She even went as far as to tell me I could only smoke in my room...even though she was living there rent-free, and i was paying half. If i lit up, she would start hacking and RUN (and seriously if you are having an attack can you run?) upstairs. Now MY GF got a job working with the hacker ,as she shall be known henceforth. My GF found out that the Hacker would regularly wait in the smoking area of the restaurant...and then take her breaks in the smoking area. \"because all the fun people were in there\" with seemingly no asthma attacks. This only happened at home.

Now giving the examples above and the story I find it very hard to believe that you will suffer any harm or other affects that aren\'t purely in the mind in the brief amount of time it takes you to enter a store.

In other words \"you just don\'t like it\"

Get over it...I don\'t like the rain...I don\'t have a pnemonia attack every time i have to go out into it.

I don\'t like the cold...but i don\'t get frostbite everytime i go out into it.

I don\'t like annoying people...but I deal with em.

Fact of Life: There are many things in life you will not like...Get used to it.
 

finn17

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I find this thread really depressing....

I mean, sh*t...if we can\'t sort this one out, how will we ever deal with the real problems in the world. Passive smoking is meaningless to someone dying of hunger.
The really sad thing is, it is all so bleeding obvious: non-smokers should be protected from secondary smoking and smokers have the right to choke themselves to death if that is their choice. Surely that can\'t be too difficult to organise?...Sheer common sense I would have said....???
 

torifile

Member
Originally posted by finn17

The really sad thing is, it is all so bleeding obvious: non-smokers should be protected from secondary smoking and smokers have the right to choke themselves to death if that is their choice. Surely that can\'t be too difficult to organise?...Sheer common sense I would have said....???

Really what I have been trying to say all along, but I guess short and sweet seems to have been the best way to go, hunh?lol

And now, I\'m off to paint!:D
 

torifile

Member
Originally posted by Evil Dave
Originally posted by torifile
Its everywhere, whether we want it or not, get it????


Or how about this: I once had a roommate, whose GF was \'severly Asthmatic (? spelling)\" couldn\'t stand my smoking. She even went as far as to tell me I could only smoke in my room...even though she was living there rent-free, and i was paying half. If i lit up, she would start hacking and RUN (and seriously if you are having an attack can you run?) upstairs. Now MY GF got a job working with the hacker ,as she shall be known henceforth. My GF found out that the Hacker would regularly wait in the smoking area of the restaurant...and then take her breaks in the smoking area. \"because all the fun people were in there\" with seemingly no asthma attacks. This only happened at home.

Yeah, I knew a girl like that. She just couldn\'t breath if someone was smoking in the car, but she sure didn\'t have any problem smoking other things, including a clove cigarette!

Now I really am off to paint! Really.:innocent:
 

supervike

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nail. head. hit...

Originally posted by finn17
I mean, sh*t...if we can\'t sort this one out, how will we ever deal with the real problems in the world. Passive smoking is meaningless to someone dying of hunger.


Yeah, imagine if we lived in a world where this was our biggest dilemma.....


;)
 

finn17

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Hysterical LOL

Originally posted by supervike
Yeah, imagine if we lived in a world where this was our biggest dilemma.....
Un-f*cking fortunately:flame: I appear to live in a world at the moment where this would be considered a crisis!
*Deity of your choice* protect us from this PC (political correctness) that is smothering basic, bloody comonsense:mad:
 

Evil Dave

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Originally posted by finn17
I mean, sh*t...if we can\'t sort this one out, how will we ever deal with the real problems in the world. Passive smoking is meaningless to someone dying of hunger.
The really sad thing is, it is all so bleeding obvious: non-smokers should be protected from secondary smoking and smokers have the right to choke themselves to death if that is their choice. Surely that can\'t be too difficult to organise?...Sheer common sense I would have said....???

And I would agree with you Finn,
Many things could be worked out with common-sense...unfortunately Society seems to have run out...oh well Grin and bear it.
 

Beelzebrush

Active member
hmmm... I better just point out that the meaning of \'fag\' in the UK is somewhat different to our transatlantic chums\' definition :D
 

stumpkiller

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I enjoy a good bon / camp fire, even though I have a similar reaction to it as tobacco smoke. Saw how it hurt my mom (before she quit) when people thought they needed to point out what she already knew, and even though I can\'t stand the smell of someone who just had a \"fag\" as opposed to a nice hickory campfire, I endevor to keep silent. and try to hide my watering eyes (if it\'s that bad) because insults won\'t help a person change their view on smoking, just make \'em mad. However, no one is allowed to smoke in my house, in my car, and neither are they allowed to leave cig butts anywhere on my property. Which isn\'t a problem since none of my friends smoke, and my husband is somewhat of a recluse, so no friends come over anyway:D:p
 

supervike

Super Moderator
still talking about this...

This thread is too heavy,

wouldn\'t you all rather play a nice relaxing game of word association....


http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=3763&pid=48361#pid48361

lollol
 

vincegamer

Active member
normally???

Originally posted by Evil Dave
Originally posted by vincegamer
Here\'s the problem with this: Where then will non-smokers go to do the social things that smokers do but be without smoke? One smoker in a bar can ruin the environment for a non-smoker. The reverse is not true.

Ah, so it\'s all right to inconvience the smokers by sending them outside in the rain or cold...
It\'s all right to make bars and clubs loose profits by passing laws that the owners didn\'t want or agree to...

Just so you can go to a place that normally would be filled with smoke.

Yeah, now that you put it that way it seems SO fair.
Why would a place be \"normally\" filled with smoke?
What is it about bars that makes them smokey minus the people?
Your solution is non-smokers stay home, why not smokers stay home? Why is your solution better?
Used to be post offices were \"normally filled with smoke.\" But some people have an actual allergic type reaction to cigarette smoke. Under the ADA that was the same as putting in stairs and keeping out people in wheel chairs. Therefore smoking was banned in government buildings (and ramps were installed). People keep going to the post office though.

As to lost profits, that was always the claim in California before the state-wide ban went down. It\'s been years now and the only people complaining of lost profits are the cigarette companies.
Cigarettes or not, people will still drink.
 

vincegamer

Active member
Someone mentioned a free market. I\'ve often wondered why there wasn\'t an industry movement to avoid government regulation by self-regulating.
In other words, why didn\'t half the bars in California become non-smoking? My only guess is no one was willing to be first to do it. If the industry was willing to permit smoking/non-smoking designations, why didn\'t anyone adopt the latter before the laws were passed?

Oh, by the way don\'t forget the economics. Smokers cost everyone money.
 

Sand Rat

New member
Originally posted by vincegamer
Someone mentioned a free market. I\'ve often wondered why there wasn\'t an industry movement to avoid government regulation by self-regulating.
In other words, why didn\'t half the bars in California become non-smoking? My only guess is no one was willing to be first to do it. If the industry was willing to permit smoking/non-smoking designations, why didn\'t anyone adopt the latter before the laws were passed?

Oh, by the way don\'t forget the economics. Smokers cost everyone money.

Umm Vince, hate to disagree with you, but in most states smokers pay more in taxes than the states expend in total healthcare costs - not just smoking related.
 

Evil Dave

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Originally posted by vincegamer
[quote Your solution is non-smokers stay home, why not smokers stay home? Why is your solution better?

You misunderstand...I never said \"stay home\", I said \"go elsewhere\".

Why can\'t there be smoking bars and non-smoking bars?

Why one blanket law to suit one type of person but not another?
 
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