torifile
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Originally posted by steelcult
True - and if we had been smoking a certain controlled substance she would have supported us 100%.
Of course, isn\'t that all natural?
Originally posted by steelcult
True - and if we had been smoking a certain controlled substance she would have supported us 100%.
I guess I don\'t. Living in a rural area, it seems this doesn\'t seem to be a problem here.Originally posted by torifile
Its everywhere, whether we want it or not, get it????
Originally posted by finn17
The really sad thing is, it is all so bleeding obvious: non-smokers should be protected from secondary smoking and smokers have the right to choke themselves to death if that is their choice. Surely that can\'t be too difficult to organise?...Sheer common sense I would have said....???
Originally posted by Evil Dave
Originally posted by torifile
Its everywhere, whether we want it or not, get it????
Or how about this: I once had a roommate, whose GF was \'severly Asthmatic (? spelling)\" couldn\'t stand my smoking. She even went as far as to tell me I could only smoke in my room...even though she was living there rent-free, and i was paying half. If i lit up, she would start hacking and RUN (and seriously if you are having an attack can you run?) upstairs. Now MY GF got a job working with the hacker ,as she shall be known henceforth. My GF found out that the Hacker would regularly wait in the smoking area of the restaurant...and then take her breaks in the smoking area. \"because all the fun people were in there\" with seemingly no asthma attacks. This only happened at home.
Originally posted by finn17
I mean, sh*t...if we can\'t sort this one out, how will we ever deal with the real problems in the world. Passive smoking is meaningless to someone dying of hunger.
Un-f*cking fortunately:flame: I appear to live in a world at the moment where this would be considered a crisis!Originally posted by supervike
Yeah, imagine if we lived in a world where this was our biggest dilemma.....
Originally posted by finn17
I mean, sh*t...if we can\'t sort this one out, how will we ever deal with the real problems in the world. Passive smoking is meaningless to someone dying of hunger.
The really sad thing is, it is all so bleeding obvious: non-smokers should be protected from secondary smoking and smokers have the right to choke themselves to death if that is their choice. Surely that can\'t be too difficult to organise?...Sheer common sense I would have said....???
..and grinand bare it???lol:bouncy:Originally posted by Evil Dave
Grin and bear it.
Originally posted by Evil Dave
Why would a place be \"normally\" filled with smoke?Originally posted by vincegamer
Here\'s the problem with this: Where then will non-smokers go to do the social things that smokers do but be without smoke? One smoker in a bar can ruin the environment for a non-smoker. The reverse is not true.
Ah, so it\'s all right to inconvience the smokers by sending them outside in the rain or cold...
It\'s all right to make bars and clubs loose profits by passing laws that the owners didn\'t want or agree to...
Just so you can go to a place that normally would be filled with smoke.
Yeah, now that you put it that way it seems SO fair.
What is it about bars that makes them smokey minus the people?
Your solution is non-smokers stay home, why not smokers stay home? Why is your solution better?
Used to be post offices were \"normally filled with smoke.\" But some people have an actual allergic type reaction to cigarette smoke. Under the ADA that was the same as putting in stairs and keeping out people in wheel chairs. Therefore smoking was banned in government buildings (and ramps were installed). People keep going to the post office though.
As to lost profits, that was always the claim in California before the state-wide ban went down. It\'s been years now and the only people complaining of lost profits are the cigarette companies.
Cigarettes or not, people will still drink.
Originally posted by vincegamer
Someone mentioned a free market. I\'ve often wondered why there wasn\'t an industry movement to avoid government regulation by self-regulating.
In other words, why didn\'t half the bars in California become non-smoking? My only guess is no one was willing to be first to do it. If the industry was willing to permit smoking/non-smoking designations, why didn\'t anyone adopt the latter before the laws were passed?
Oh, by the way don\'t forget the economics. Smokers cost everyone money.
Originally posted by vincegamer
[quote Your solution is non-smokers stay home, why not smokers stay home? Why is your solution better?