Another Reason for the Right Wing Nutjobs to Hate Harry Potter
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PegaZus
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A right wing nutjob refers to someone who\'s political leanings are to the Republican party in America, usually a conservative Christian, who\'s views are held to be extreme by the speaker.
Thus, a left wing nutjob, aka a moonbat, is one who\'s loyalties lay with the extreme opposite, a liberal Democrat.
The troll fights on the respective websites are occasionally amusing, but usually just degrade into childish insults with obligatory references to Hitler and the Nazi party.
Note for Uberdark: You\'ve cheated me out of a perfectly good post by deleting your duplicate topic. I\'ll post the good points below:
as i said on a thread i started on this and then realized it had already been made. :redface:
i have nothing against him being gay....but i never really saw his character as being either. he is a champion of good and the idea of him being gay or not really was something that i never really saw occuring in the series. the whole idea of him being gay seems more like an after thought than anything. kind of like lucas and jar jar.
\"awesome cast, cardboard writing....what does it need....oh yeah something loveable to grab the kids.\"
lets just hope ellen degeneres doesnt have her newest copy of harry potter taken away and cries abou it on tv.
lol
i have nothing against him being gay....but i never really saw his character as being either. he is a champion of good and the idea of him being gay or not really was something that i never really saw occuring in the series. the whole idea of him being gay seems more like an after thought than anything. kind of like lucas and jar jar.
\"awesome cast, cardboard writing....what does it need....oh yeah something loveable to grab the kids.\"
lets just hope ellen degeneres doesnt have her newest copy of harry potter taken away and cries abou it on tv.
lol
Infidel Castro
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Paedophilia I\'d suggest, hanging round with all those short folk...
Infidel Castro
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I thought he had a huge staff of ancient wood.
Infidel Castro
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He was always going on about his ring though. Makes you wonder :]
Infidel Castro
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Maybe the fiery cracks of Mount Doom offer us further evidence.
OK I\'m gonna try to get this right 
There\'s a lot of people who claim \"righteous indignation\" when they really just don\'t like something. Many of the people who are lobbying against these books fall into that category, IMO.
But, I have a fairly uncommon perspective on things, I think. I\'m a Christian guy, aged 22 years with a buttload (no pun intended, but I think it\'s funny so it stays) of English and Comparative Literature classes under my belt at University. One class (C Lit 342 - Folk and Fairy Tales) featured a Harry Potter book in the cirriculum. The original book was the last thing we read before the final. \"We\" being everybody but me
I have no real moral obligation to magic or anything showing up in fiction. I split my time reading Scripture and Horus Heresy books before settling down for bed lol
The people who have a legitimate claim against Harry Potter don\'t simply say \"Magic is bad, mmkay?\" That kind of criticism is something I would expect the cop from South Park to come up with. The serious criticisms of Harry Potter revolve around two things:
1) The books challenge what most people would call \"fantasy\" universes. The vast majority of the people in the Potterverse (to steal a linguistic convention from Joss Whedon) think of their world in the same way we do. They see mundane, everyday kind of stuff going on and have no sense of magic and demons and stuff. It\'s not like Lord of the Rings\' Middle Earth or anything. It presents the use of magic in an otherwise familiar kind of world, which some people could use springboard into real-life interests in Wicca and whatnot.
2) JK Rowling has been accused of selling out her gender by presenting dominant male figures everywhere, and having very few strong female characters (most of them being bad guys/gals). Nothing to do with this debate
Again I don\'t necessarily think these are bad things, I just thought the movie I was forced to see on a date in high school was terrible and wanted no interest in any other part of the franchise.
On the other hand, I have a friend (also Christian) whose little sister lives with a father who encourages the exploration of anything pleasurable... make an informed decision so go ahead and try drugs, drinking, etc. and the fact that you\'re 16 doesn\'t matter. Said sibling is also into \"white magic\" and all that stuff, which is very far from the path we all want her to be on. Harry Potter and other positive depictions of magic users kind of get in the way here.
Questionable parenting skills obviously factor heavily into this equation here, but IN THIS CONTEXT the crap we feed our kids is relevant. Many, many parents in modern North America suck. They\'re inattentive, insensitive, and many would rather have a kid on all kinds of pharmaceuticals than actually be active in raising them properly. When kids have no guidance from their parents they are liable to make bad decisions based on the limited info they have.
So yeah, I have a different take on the issue than most people. I think that sex/violence/etc. in the media wouldn\'t be a big deal if our generation raised their kids better.
There\'s a reason medical professionals expect life expectancies to decrease despite medical technology: our lifestyle is becoming incredibly unhealthy for a variety of reasons, not all of them physical.
Note: I am in no way accusing anyone here of being a bad parent. For the most part, I know nothing about you aside from your modelling abilities and whatnot. I\'m just trying to make a point
Many thanks to anyone who takes the time to read this. It\'s by far the longest thing I\'ve posted in a long time.
There\'s a lot of people who claim \"righteous indignation\" when they really just don\'t like something. Many of the people who are lobbying against these books fall into that category, IMO.
But, I have a fairly uncommon perspective on things, I think. I\'m a Christian guy, aged 22 years with a buttload (no pun intended, but I think it\'s funny so it stays) of English and Comparative Literature classes under my belt at University. One class (C Lit 342 - Folk and Fairy Tales) featured a Harry Potter book in the cirriculum. The original book was the last thing we read before the final. \"We\" being everybody but me
I have no real moral obligation to magic or anything showing up in fiction. I split my time reading Scripture and Horus Heresy books before settling down for bed lol
The people who have a legitimate claim against Harry Potter don\'t simply say \"Magic is bad, mmkay?\" That kind of criticism is something I would expect the cop from South Park to come up with. The serious criticisms of Harry Potter revolve around two things:
1) The books challenge what most people would call \"fantasy\" universes. The vast majority of the people in the Potterverse (to steal a linguistic convention from Joss Whedon) think of their world in the same way we do. They see mundane, everyday kind of stuff going on and have no sense of magic and demons and stuff. It\'s not like Lord of the Rings\' Middle Earth or anything. It presents the use of magic in an otherwise familiar kind of world, which some people could use springboard into real-life interests in Wicca and whatnot.
2) JK Rowling has been accused of selling out her gender by presenting dominant male figures everywhere, and having very few strong female characters (most of them being bad guys/gals). Nothing to do with this debate
Again I don\'t necessarily think these are bad things, I just thought the movie I was forced to see on a date in high school was terrible and wanted no interest in any other part of the franchise.
On the other hand, I have a friend (also Christian) whose little sister lives with a father who encourages the exploration of anything pleasurable... make an informed decision so go ahead and try drugs, drinking, etc. and the fact that you\'re 16 doesn\'t matter. Said sibling is also into \"white magic\" and all that stuff, which is very far from the path we all want her to be on. Harry Potter and other positive depictions of magic users kind of get in the way here.
Questionable parenting skills obviously factor heavily into this equation here, but IN THIS CONTEXT the crap we feed our kids is relevant. Many, many parents in modern North America suck. They\'re inattentive, insensitive, and many would rather have a kid on all kinds of pharmaceuticals than actually be active in raising them properly. When kids have no guidance from their parents they are liable to make bad decisions based on the limited info they have.
So yeah, I have a different take on the issue than most people. I think that sex/violence/etc. in the media wouldn\'t be a big deal if our generation raised their kids better.
There\'s a reason medical professionals expect life expectancies to decrease despite medical technology: our lifestyle is becoming incredibly unhealthy for a variety of reasons, not all of them physical.
Note: I am in no way accusing anyone here of being a bad parent. For the most part, I know nothing about you aside from your modelling abilities and whatnot. I\'m just trying to make a point
Many thanks to anyone who takes the time to read this. It\'s by far the longest thing I\'ve posted in a long time.
Infidel Castro
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So your family would impose on the kid what they want her to believe and act upon? That indicates they feel their beliefs are correct and that is based upon their faith I suppose (as per your talk of \'paths\' and what have you). Why is theirs right and her little bit of dabbling in white magic wrong, necessarily? Are you saying demons exist? Are you saying evil is a force?
I like the father\'s attitude but it needs to come with a disclaimer, i.e., that the outcome can be pretty shitty if addiction occurs, whether with booze, drugs, fags (ooh er!), gambling or whatever. I get the feeling though that he probably does qualify his empirical outlook, yes? Good on him if he does.
Good post though, and I like seeing other folk\'s view points on stuff like this
My family is kinda sorta Catholic. In other words, they know that they are supposed to feel guilty most of the time. That\'s about it.
My cosmology is pretty much how the Bible tells it. We have our nice little world, which we tend to fill up with garbage and pollution. There is something of a continuum between our world and the kind of world where God exists.
There is a distinction in scripture between our world, a spiritual world, and the heavens themselves. \"The kingdom of the air\" I think is how it\'s translated these days. I don\'t think demons are flesh and blood like we are (OK, please nobody nitpick with talk of summoning vs. possession, those are game mechanics issues and not fit for religious discussion) but I can\'t deny that they exist and that they have influence in the world in the same way God does.
Faith in the Bible means you believe in everything it says. It says demons exist, and talks repeatedly about them possessing/tormenting people in Jesus\' day. They didn\'t have the language we do regarding \"mental illness\" but it sounds like there\'s a lot of parallels between what the Bible calls possessed people and what we call crazy people.
At the end of the day, the Bible teaches that people\'s words have power. God created the universe by speaking it into existence. That theme is everywhere in the beginning of Genesis. But it\'s found elsewhere as well, where people are told to prophecy over situations and to rebuke spirits etc.
So even if there\'s nothing inherently powerful in the spells/rituals/whatever that people do, they can feed into these other powers indirectly. They seem harmless, and we even teach kids that (sticks and stones break my bones but words can never hurt me), but Jesus says we\'re going to be held accountable for our words on our day of judgment.
Re: the family situation, I don\'t know too much about the father firsthand though, I\'ve never met him in person because the family lives all over and there\'s all kinds of divorces and remarriages and stuff complicating issues. I know he gets upset sometimes when the kid gets into trouble, but that\'s about all I know.
Anyway you make an interesting point about imposing belief onto our children. Christianity isn\'t about blind faith, the New Testament preaches about discernment and testing what we\'re taught. If it\'s contradictory or flawed, then it\'s not reflecting God\'s character and should be rejected.
This is fun, actually using the internet to talk about things with real consequences instead of just how to make Space Marines prettier
My cosmology is pretty much how the Bible tells it. We have our nice little world, which we tend to fill up with garbage and pollution. There is something of a continuum between our world and the kind of world where God exists.
There is a distinction in scripture between our world, a spiritual world, and the heavens themselves. \"The kingdom of the air\" I think is how it\'s translated these days. I don\'t think demons are flesh and blood like we are (OK, please nobody nitpick with talk of summoning vs. possession, those are game mechanics issues and not fit for religious discussion) but I can\'t deny that they exist and that they have influence in the world in the same way God does.
Faith in the Bible means you believe in everything it says. It says demons exist, and talks repeatedly about them possessing/tormenting people in Jesus\' day. They didn\'t have the language we do regarding \"mental illness\" but it sounds like there\'s a lot of parallels between what the Bible calls possessed people and what we call crazy people.
At the end of the day, the Bible teaches that people\'s words have power. God created the universe by speaking it into existence. That theme is everywhere in the beginning of Genesis. But it\'s found elsewhere as well, where people are told to prophecy over situations and to rebuke spirits etc.
So even if there\'s nothing inherently powerful in the spells/rituals/whatever that people do, they can feed into these other powers indirectly. They seem harmless, and we even teach kids that (sticks and stones break my bones but words can never hurt me), but Jesus says we\'re going to be held accountable for our words on our day of judgment.
Re: the family situation, I don\'t know too much about the father firsthand though, I\'ve never met him in person because the family lives all over and there\'s all kinds of divorces and remarriages and stuff complicating issues. I know he gets upset sometimes when the kid gets into trouble, but that\'s about all I know.
Anyway you make an interesting point about imposing belief onto our children. Christianity isn\'t about blind faith, the New Testament preaches about discernment and testing what we\'re taught. If it\'s contradictory or flawed, then it\'s not reflecting God\'s character and should be rejected.
This is fun, actually using the internet to talk about things with real consequences instead of just how to make Space Marines prettier
As is currently being rammed down our throats by Channel 4, one out of five children leave Primary school unable to read properly. If it gets them to sit down and read an actual book instead of putting through next doors window, then I could care less about it encouraging them to dance around a pentagram sprinkling the blood of a virgin goat and various other clichés.
darthfoley
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Kids *do* get books for presents. Harry Potter books.
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