Are you good... or EVIL?
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vincegamer
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Good point, though I would let the cat have the mouse.
There is a pond near us and a woman lives next to it (we call her crazy bird lady) who feeds the ducks and geese but chases away the hawks (and children). We call her crazy because it\'s funny, but she\'s really just sadly misinformed. Geese are a foreign invasive species that does great ecological damage and that it is technically illegal to feed. Hawks are native and in many cases endangered. Is she evil or good for trying to show kindness to the geese?
I\'d much rather feed the hawks.
I find killing people to be as close to evil as is possible. Therefore all armies could be considered evil. I don\'t fight wars, I play games. I channel the violent side of human nature into games where no one actually gets hurt.
Oh, and I have no problem with Ork v. Ork, High Elf v. High Elf, Bretonnian v. Bretonnian battles. I think they add some \"realism\" and interest. But they are against the rules I think. So GW is basically teaching that racism (another evil) is okay. Anyone that says because these guys are green they are evil and these are white so they are good is painting a simplistic and harmful picture.
Maybe all my Bretonians are of the Sir Mordred/Sir Gerald the Bastard variety.???
Sleep-deprivation-induced-ramble now over.
Steelcult:
\"I find killing people to be as close to evil as is possible. Therefore all armies could be considered evil. I don\'t fight wars, I play games. I channel the violent side of human nature into games where no one actually gets hurt.\"
B****r, you stole my answer! True! Absolutly spot on!
\"I find killing people to be as close to evil as is possible. Therefore all armies could be considered evil. I don\'t fight wars, I play games. I channel the violent side of human nature into games where no one actually gets hurt.\"
B****r, you stole my answer! True! Absolutly spot on!
Oh Double Buggar! Too much White wine methinks! Ah well it\'s Zebedee!Originally posted by steelcult
Umm, great quote there DR, but not mine - Vincegamer, the newly finished Lawyer type came up with it, not me. Though I wish I had.
vincegamer
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Mike,
Thanks.
p.s. how do you put your rank in your sig line?
Not that I want everyone to know my rank but I\'d like to know everyone else\'s and shouldn\'t be a hippocrite
Thanks.
p.s. how do you put your rank in your sig line?
Not that I want everyone to know my rank but I\'d like to know everyone else\'s and shouldn\'t be a hippocrite
Ebonbuddha
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Originally posted by Helga
It\'s somehow similar to when You catch Your pet cat toying with (torturing) a mouse. It\'s horrible but You cannot blame the cat. You simply take the mouse and evaluate the damage. With a chance to survive You set the mouse free somewhere safe, if it\'s lethally damaged You kill it quickly.
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My collection is full of Ogres. I have alot of Dirz and Undead minis for Confrontation. I Started 40K playing Space Wolves, Chaos, Eldar, and Orks. I also played Empire,Skaven, then went to Vampire Counts WHFB.
If I had a pet that was doing that to an animal I would leave it alone. That\'s it\'s nature. It\'s not my place to interfere because I feel uneasy.
So I guess I\'m true Neutral with Chaotic tendencies.
It\'s somehow similar to when You catch Your pet cat toying with (torturing) a mouse. It\'s horrible but You cannot blame the cat. You simply take the mouse and evaluate the damage. With a chance to survive You set the mouse free somewhere safe, if it\'s lethally damaged You kill it quickly.
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My collection is full of Ogres. I have alot of Dirz and Undead minis for Confrontation. I Started 40K playing Space Wolves, Chaos, Eldar, and Orks. I also played Empire,Skaven, then went to Vampire Counts WHFB.
If I had a pet that was doing that to an animal I would leave it alone. That\'s it\'s nature. It\'s not my place to interfere because I feel uneasy.
So I guess I\'m true Neutral with Chaotic tendencies.
Well, you may sleep soundly knowing that not many people are stupid enough to relate green orks to any other human race being evil. When I was 5, I certainly knew that green was a different colour than brown, black, etc. I mean, what about the Tau? They\'re greyish blue, and they\'re good guys. Dark Elves are sadistic, evil, fetish lovers, and they\'re one of the palest races in WH, fluff wise. What about vampire counts? They\'re pale... And what about the Tomb Kings of Khemri? Is GW discriminating against anorexic people with that line of minis? After all, the Tomb Kings are fairly mean. There\'s an even amount of wierd, purpley, green evil people to pale white, evil people in Warhammer. And it\'s absurd to suggest GW is advocating racism against any coloured people......Well, maybe green people.
And while I have never been to a GT, I\'ve read lotsa accounts of battles being fought between the same race/armies.
vincegamer
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My green = evil white = good comment was just an example. In fact it wasn\'t even meant as a reference to specific races and certainly not meant to imply GW thinks Dark skin = bad Light skin = good.
My point was that except for the controversial rules about mercenaries, groups in the GW world stay in isolated communities based on race. The \"because I am like them I will stick with them and be against those that are different\" idea is what I meant was racist.
Go find the thread on having black people in the Empire army and think about having different skin tones in all your armies, then think about different body types/critters - why can\'t elves ride boars?
And by the way, GW didn\'t start out with this system. I remember playing Bloodbowl when it first came out. There was nothing in the rules saying you had to field a team all the same. Every criter had a cost so I had a highly effective team consisting mainly of elves but including an Ogre, a dwarf and a Ghoul as star players (if I remember right, I mean it was nearly 20 years ago).
My point was that except for the controversial rules about mercenaries, groups in the GW world stay in isolated communities based on race. The \"because I am like them I will stick with them and be against those that are different\" idea is what I meant was racist.
Go find the thread on having black people in the Empire army and think about having different skin tones in all your armies, then think about different body types/critters - why can\'t elves ride boars?
And by the way, GW didn\'t start out with this system. I remember playing Bloodbowl when it first came out. There was nothing in the rules saying you had to field a team all the same. Every criter had a cost so I had a highly effective team consisting mainly of elves but including an Ogre, a dwarf and a Ghoul as star players (if I remember right, I mean it was nearly 20 years ago).
Vince: Go to \"Your account\" you\'ll see the HTML code to place in your website. Highlight & capture it then just place it in your signature in your profile in the forums section.
Seems like I have started a real trend, even Chern Ann\'s used it.
Wow.
See, I assumed that I was collecting an even mix of armies that would be considered bad and armies that would be considered good. I actually counted them and found that my \"good\" armies far outweighed my \"evil\" armies. I did not think that this made me good. Nor did I think that playing evil or bad armies would make a person bad. That would be silly.
I don\'t suppose I\'ll be in front of St. Peter arguing that my dwarf and empire armies should be added to my good works list in an effort to get through the gate.
barkel
See, I assumed that I was collecting an even mix of armies that would be considered bad and armies that would be considered good. I actually counted them and found that my \"good\" armies far outweighed my \"evil\" armies. I did not think that this made me good. Nor did I think that playing evil or bad armies would make a person bad. That would be silly.
I don\'t suppose I\'ll be in front of St. Peter arguing that my dwarf and empire armies should be added to my good works list in an effort to get through the gate.
barkel
Ahh, I see, sorry. It\'s just that I imagine it\'s fairly true to life....I mean, should we mix up our checkers pieces in the name of diversity and tolerance? No, because it\'d be damn confusing! A mish mash of red and white pieces all over the board would even mess up a grandmaster (of checkers?
) Sure, that\'s true to life, but this is a game, so it\'s not practical to have a fondue pot of different races in a single army. Not to mention the fact it\'d take a genius to make sense of the army lists....An Elven hero with a dwarven rune-hammer riding an ork boar? It\'d be one giant rulebook to handle that, not to mention the sheer level of randomness in armies (which of course, is a welcome fact of life, but preferably not in Warhammer) You know, what I think would solve all of our problems? Mercenary units!! It\'d give armies much needed diversity, and would solve all problems of racial purity in armies. That is, if people found them to be good tactical choices.....Oh right, GW does have them!! They\'re called Dogs of War!! *slaps head*
And as to different skin tones, the Warhammer world is a very different place....think back to the Middle Ages. Where there many blacks in the armies of England, France, etc.? No, because unlike today, immigration to imaginary lands wasn\'t very popular among the tribes of Africa. And as to slavery, it\'s not that big in the Warhammer Wrold, and if it is, it\'s usually among the Empire, Dark Elves, etc.
Of course, considering you\'re a newly minted lawyer ready to prove yourself, I don\'t think it\'s a good idea for me to get into an argument.....
Sand Rat
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Nelson, me boyo, immigration to places far forgien has always been a human trait, else we never would have left Africa in the first place - or the trees for that matter. There were a number of enclaves throughout the known world in the middle ages/renaisannce where traders of different skin tones (not races cause we\'re all human) traded with the white skinned barbarians -
Yeah, another thing, most people learn to paint flesh colors by reading GW tutorials and those were, until a recent issue of White dwarf, were all white skinned. I don;t think that the white dwarf article will change the trend much though as most beginers use the little how to paint inserts in the paint sets. And once you learn one way to paint the flesh, it is kinda hard to switch, especially if you are in the middle of painting a unit of 20 or so models. :flip::bouncy:
Oh, I admit that....I mean, North America itself was populated by natives crossing the great land bridge from around Alaska. It\'s just that things like that take thousands of years to effect any great change. I\'m talking in terms of hundreds of years.....I mean, we didn\'t exactly emigrate from Africa in recent history. And I\'m sure there were plenty of coloured traders, especially from the middle east, india, what have you, but in terms of the English, French, etc. ARMIES, they didn\'t really feature many people except whites.
Sand Rat
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Hmm, you may want to check your data there again, my young padwan. The Wooden Walls that protected England for the entire 19th Century were crewed with men from all over the world. And looking at photos of the crews of US Naval vessels from the same period show a large number of non cacasian faces. The land forces were probably no different. Hell, the English today still have the Ghurka\'s - a regiment originally raised in the 1790\'s I believe. Society may not reflect that today, especially since from a politcal point of view you can get more votes by balkanizing folk than by bringing them together.
