Atheists

matty1001

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Check out this vid:

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/47872/30_Days_Christian_Atheist.html

Its a short clip from some TV series (I dont know what as i dont have a TV so havnt got a clue bout whats on) about how Americans react to atheists.

Pretty scary stuff.
 

treide

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I haven\'t seen this episode, but the \"30 Days\" show has been fairly interesting, at least the few episodes I\'ve seen.

He and his girlfriend tried to live a month on minimum wage, just to prove that it is practically impossible.

Another one involved a \"Minuteman\" (group of civilians who volunteer to patrol the US/Mexico border to find illegal immigrants) staying with a family of illegal immigrants for one month. Also well-done and interesting.

The guy who puts these on is the same guy who did the \"Super Size Me\" documentary, also worth a look.
 

No Such Agency

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\"I don\'t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.\"
- George W. Bush.
 

Dedwrekka

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Lack of direct and well known moral laws.

Individualism outside of the norm scares people. We don\'t know what creed or code they follow, so how they think is a mystery. While it\'s a completely irrational argument, so are human beings. Standard fear of the unknown.

There have also been a lot of radical Aetheist movements within the US that have radically changed laws and regulations. Those ones in the blurb may have been accepting of other religions, but there have been more active Aetheistic figures that havn\'t been. In fact many have been downright critical of them to the point where any overt showing of religiousness has been shuffled into just the home and place of worship.
 

Torn blue sky

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Money with \"there is no god\" on it lol Sorry but that just made me laugh.
And whats with the \"if you don\'t like it, move!!\" attitude??? Thats just wrong.
*edit*
Treide, we had the \"Super Size Me\" Doc screened here. Scared the hell outa me that people are willing to feed their kids that crap everyday seeing the toll it took on the poor buggr in the experiment!
In fact I refuse to eat fast food at all now :yes:
 

matty1001

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Iv never really read much into it, but i know Bush seems to use religion as a control over the citizens through the use of fear of evil.

Like saying terrorists are evil - using a sort of good/evil christian belief(?)
 

wiccanpony

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:eek: \"I am committed to the First Amendment principles of religious freedom, tolerance, and diversity.  Whether Mormon, Methodist, Jewish, or Muslim, Americans should be able to participate in their constitutional free exercise of religion. I do not think witchcraft is a religion, and I do not think it is in any way appropriate for the U.S. military to promote it.\"------- George W. Bush

 

:wow: makes me feel sooooooo warm and fuzzy and loved. beware Mr Bush I do vote!!!
 

frenchkid

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Originally posted by Dedwrekka
Lack of direct and well known moral laws.
And I suppose religiouse people have well known moral laws. Is the part where they kill other people in the name of their god a well know moral law? or would it be the part where they refuse to try and stop the advance of sida in africa ? If I put on a cross necklace and say I\'m christian all of the suddent I become a moral personne ?



Originally posted by Dedwrekka
Individualism outside of the norm scares people. We don\'t know what creed or code they follow, so how they think is a mystery. While it\'s a completely irrational argument, so are human beings. Standard fear of the unknown.
Outside the norm ???? What norm ?? What the hell gives you the right to say that atheisme is abnormal ?

Originally posted by Dedwrekka
There have also been a lot of radical Aetheist movements within the US that have radically changed laws and regulations. Those ones in the blurb may have been accepting of other religions, but there have been more active Aetheistic figures that havn\'t been. In fact many have been downright critical of them to the point where any overt showing of religiousness has been shuffled into just the home and place of worship.
And radical religiouse movements have never shown up right. Let\'s repeat the 11th letter of the alphabet three times to see what we come up with. The big hole ine the middle of NYC was the result of a movement based on religion if I am not mistaken. And It seems to me the countless dead in the isrealo-palestinian conflict have somthing to do with religion.
Open a history book and guess why the majority if wars where started ? Extremisme is a word associated with religions nowday, so please don\'t try to bullshit people about radical atheisme.
Funny all religion keep on talking about tolerance but fail miserably when time comes to put it to practice.

I have no probleme with religion if it can help people get along in life and help out others. But it becomes inaceptable when it becomes a dogme that considers itself to be the norm and deems itself fit to point out evil and root it out.
 

Ritual

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Originally posted by wiccanpony
:eek: \"I am committed to the First Amendment principles of religious freedom, tolerance, and diversity. Whether Mormon, Methodist, Jewish, or Muslim, Americans should be able to participate in their constitutional free exercise of religion. I do not think witchcraft is a religion, and I do not think it is in any way appropriate for the U.S. military to promote it.\"------- George W. Bush



:wow: makes me feel sooooooo warm and fuzzy and loved. beware Mr Bush I do vote!!!
That\'s quite interesting... the fact that all the religions he lists believe in the same god, whereas a completely different religion like witchcraft is apparently not a religion at all!
 

Avicenna

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Originally posted by frenchkid
Outside the norm ???? What norm ?? What the hell gives you the right to say that atheisme is abnormal ?
I reckon that there are more people in this world that believe in some kind of higher being/god/gods than there are true atheists... i think that would make it \'not the norm\' - i dont think there were any negative connotations to what dedwrekka said.

And again you go with the \'not having a right to say something\' route - people will just stop listening
 

Swordwind

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Whatever happened to \"Land of the Free\" and all that?

And why did the guy with glasses at the start suddenly propel me back in time 30 years?

\"OMFG!!! athiests!!1!!1 tehy r teh commies!!??!\"?lo.l?!!\"!?!\"
 

minimaker

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Origineel geplaatst door wiccanpony<snip>I do not think witchcraft is a religion, and I do not think it is in any way appropriate for the U.S. military to promote it.\"------- George W. Bush
Out of interest. What kind of US military promotion is he refering too? Airforce tests with flying broomsticks?
 

finn17

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Hmmm...

Looks like just another wind-up video to me.

I just try and avoid extremists of any type. Particularly the sort where you know their politics, religion, sexual preference etc. before you\'ve even been able to get their name.
 

DrEvilmonki

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Originally posted by frenchkid

Funny all religion keep on talking about tolerance but fail miserably when time comes to put it to practice.

Lumping all religous people togeather like that is as wrong as religous people judging us as all the same.

I do have a number of close christian friends. All of whom are more than willing to debate religion and have never treated me in any way different to any of their religous group.
 

treide

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@matty1001 - I think his name is Morgan Spurlock. I thought that he did a good job with \"Super Size Me\", and so far the \"30 Days\" show has been interesting as well. I think he tends to have a liberal \"Michael Moore\" slant, but the Minuteman/illegal immigrant episode was actually fairly balanced.

@torn blue sky - to be honest with you, I don\'t think I have had McD\'s since I saw the documentary either. Alas, I haven\'t been able to resist fast food altogether, though.

@ avicenna - I imagine you are right about atheists being a small minority. Does anyone know if atheism is on the rise or the decline? Here in the US at least it seems certain that the pendulum has swung to the religious right.
 

frenchkid

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Originally posted by DrEvilmonki
Originally posted by frenchkid

Funny all religion keep on talking about tolerance but fail miserably when time comes to put it to practice.

Lumping all religous people togeather like that is as wrong as religous people judging us as all the same.

I do have a number of close christian friends. All of whom are more than willing to debate religion and have never treated me in any way different to any of their religous group.

Sorry, misunderstanding threre. I would definetly put all religious people in the same bag. Living a couple of years in the US insures that you meet a lot of very religious people and I\'v stayed quit close to some of them.

I was talking about religions as institution in the \'official\' message they carry out. It seems to me no religion for the moment as made any display of great tolerance. People beeing religious is somthing I can understand as I\'v seen people overcome difficult times thanks to it. But having religious organisation atribut themself the right to speak in the name of their god and try and dictating people\'s life is somthing I don\'t understand or easily accept.
 
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