Amazon warrior
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biased against historicals
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i would have to disagree here man, i dont really have an issue with them, i just dont have the time for them. and bryan ansell is a jerk, and so are a lot (not all) of the guys that work there. they dont do a lot to enhance the image.
but this isnt about me, or my scores. i mentioned them because i noticed that my sci fi stuff had better scores than my historical stuff, and since the same hand painted them all the scores(no matter how high or low) should be the same.
i dont really think my scores matter, since i was jazzed to get a 4.5 -7 in anything. especially looking at what gets 10s, i really cant complain and in some cases think my stuff is rated a bit high.
i also didnt realize that there was a time limit on these things. since you know i have a life and job which sometimes keep me from going over all the threads on this site(and unlike you were i going to do that i can promise it wouldnt be to be a troll)
so take a deep breath, realize that in this case, what you think is going on isnt. ans relax. go paint something, or masturbate, that can have a calming effect.
i never brought up GW, someone else did. i simply felt i shuld express my reasons for my displeasure with them. all valid reason mind you. but i wanted to bring the tread back to a discussion of historical figs, not rants on the pros and cons of GW.
so unless you have a valid comment about historical, then do the moderators and me a favour and leave off ok. and try posting when you are in a good mood.
i know you wouldnt talk like that if i were standing there in front of you, so show a little respect your attempt at humour, or humiliation has failed, and in reality both of you cats have further bumped this thread. if you wanted it to go away, no reponse would be the way to go
but this isnt about me, or my scores. i mentioned them because i noticed that my sci fi stuff had better scores than my historical stuff, and since the same hand painted them all the scores(no matter how high or low) should be the same.
i dont really think my scores matter, since i was jazzed to get a 4.5 -7 in anything. especially looking at what gets 10s, i really cant complain and in some cases think my stuff is rated a bit high.
i also didnt realize that there was a time limit on these things. since you know i have a life and job which sometimes keep me from going over all the threads on this site(and unlike you were i going to do that i can promise it wouldnt be to be a troll)
so take a deep breath, realize that in this case, what you think is going on isnt. ans relax. go paint something, or masturbate, that can have a calming effect.
i never brought up GW, someone else did. i simply felt i shuld express my reasons for my displeasure with them. all valid reason mind you. but i wanted to bring the tread back to a discussion of historical figs, not rants on the pros and cons of GW.
so unless you have a valid comment about historical, then do the moderators and me a favour and leave off ok. and try posting when you are in a good mood.
i know you wouldnt talk like that if i were standing there in front of you, so show a little respect your attempt at humour, or humiliation has failed, and in reality both of you cats have further bumped this thread. if you wanted it to go away, no reponse would be the way to go
airhead
Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
Good advice - you might try it.
Being fairly new here and probably not used to forums that are not heavily moderated, I\'ll try to bring you up to speed.:
Nothing stays on-topic in the General Discussion forums. By page 3, I\'d bet a pint that they are now discussing beer or boobs or both. So don\'t take it personal if someone starts posting about something else.
Rosac did not: \"put you down\"/\"dis you\"/\"any other term you want to use.\"
I\'ve looked at your gallery. The bold colorations you use work well on the sci-fi guys, not so well on the historicals - they tend to be much more subdued with flat earth tones. That alone explains about one point in ratings. Another thing (and I\'m sorry that is sounds snobbish) is that lots of your minis are carrying the \"Another Mini\" title - which often results in a decreased score - often another point.
Couple the two things together and I can see why your historicals (which are carrying most of the \"Another Mini\" title) are rating lower than your sci-fi\'s.
Finally, the site is voted on by scads of other people besides those that reside in the forums. Lots of those unknown people find sci-fi cooler than moldy old soldiers and vote their hearts.
GW bashing is an artform around here. The basher is usually required to buy drinks for the rest of the forum over in the Freak Bar threads. Fortunately for you, virtual drinks are fairly inexpensive. BUT GW is the 600 pound gorilla. They are the majority of the miniature game business with the Clix guys giving them a bit of a run for their money - but those rubbery minis are not fun to paint.
Finally, as to the mods. They are around. If you didn\'t notice, it was Vikey that made me spew Dr. Pepper all over my keyboard in response to the threadomancy timeframe. He is one of our 2 active and respected Mods. Generally we try not to make them put on their Moderater hats and just enjoy their company.
Welcome to the madhouse that is CMON. I hope you decide to hang around.
wiccanpony
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everyone take a deep breath, now smile!don\'t make me send Squig Hunter in here, you\'ll be sooooorrry
generulpoleaxe
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did somebody mention boobies
wiccanpony
Official Freak Bar Witch
tsk tsk..... chanting as I skip away....... Airhead is mooning the whole forum :moon: , the secret is out. boxers, briefs or does he go mossyback :twisted:lolmrbadexample
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dont mind threads going all over the place, but i will attempt(especially when it is my topic) to bring them back. i know how that can be.
i dont know the term \"get over it\" to bear anything other than disresepct, and would expect others to understand what they say in threads lacks tone so its easy to misinterpret.
i appreciate your comments on my painting. i am very realistic about my talents in that department and always take constructive criticism well, and am often thankful for it. which i think you can see here in my current post. i am trying to improve.
i like the bright pallate as i am attemtping to paint as i prefer to see the world. as cartoons. strange that i prefer my historicals to be cartoony and my sci fi fantasy stuff more realistic. but then maybe not. its all a matter of idiom.
i thank you for all of this, and trust me its much better to behave like addults, i mean shit man i was away in the cayman islands, the british verigin islands and a few other places on business(yeah hard work i know) for a few weeks. so i have not had the chance to check my personal email, much less this forum. so if i have made some faux-pas, well i certainly didnt know.
and no need for deep breaths, i maybe intense, but i am not tense. just looking to get some real veiws on something that is very close to my heart, and the implication that i was bitching about my scores was a bit much. it proves the other guy just read the last thread (really i dont want to be rude, but peoples opinions of my work means very little, but your ideas on improving, or new techniques means everything so i didnt put my stuff here to get accolades but learn to improve)
you know that sad part is i am in a good mood. lucky you didnt catch me when i was pissed. i would be banned in a heart beat
quote]Originally posted by airhead
Being fairly new here and probably not used to forums that are not heavily moderated, I\'ll try to bring you up to speed.:
Nothing stays on-topic in the General Discussion forums. By page 3, I\'d bet a pint that they are now discussing beer or boobs or both. So don\'t take it personal if someone starts posting about something else.
Rosac did not: \"put you down\"/\"dis you\"/\"any other term you want to use.\"
I\'ve looked at your gallery. The bold colorations you use work well on the sci-fi guys, not so well on the historicals - they tend to be much more subdued with flat earth tones. That alone explains about one point in ratings. Another thing (and I\'m sorry that is sounds snobbish) is that lots of your minis are carrying the \"Another Mini\" title - which often results in a decreased score - often another point.
Couple the two things together and I can see why your historicals (which are carrying most of the \"Another Mini\" title) are rating lower than your sci-fi\'s.
Finally, the site is voted on by scads of other people besides those that reside in the forums. Lots of those unknown people find sci-fi cooler than moldy old soldiers and vote their hearts.
GW bashing is an artform around here. The basher is usually required to buy drinks for the rest of the forum over in the Freak Bar threads. Fortunately for you, virtual drinks are fairly inexpensive. BUT GW is the 600 pound gorilla. They are the majority of the miniature game business with the Clix guys giving them a bit of a run for their money - but those rubbery minis are not fun to paint.
Finally, as to the mods. They are around. If you didn\'t notice, it was Vikey that made me spew Dr. Pepper all over my keyboard in response to the threadomancy timeframe. He is one of our 2 active and respected Mods. Generally we try not to make them put on their Moderater hats and just enjoy their company.
Welcome to the madhouse that is CMON. I hope you decide to hang around.
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i dont know the term \"get over it\" to bear anything other than disresepct, and would expect others to understand what they say in threads lacks tone so its easy to misinterpret.
i appreciate your comments on my painting. i am very realistic about my talents in that department and always take constructive criticism well, and am often thankful for it. which i think you can see here in my current post. i am trying to improve.
i like the bright pallate as i am attemtping to paint as i prefer to see the world. as cartoons. strange that i prefer my historicals to be cartoony and my sci fi fantasy stuff more realistic. but then maybe not. its all a matter of idiom.
i thank you for all of this, and trust me its much better to behave like addults, i mean shit man i was away in the cayman islands, the british verigin islands and a few other places on business(yeah hard work i know) for a few weeks. so i have not had the chance to check my personal email, much less this forum. so if i have made some faux-pas, well i certainly didnt know.
and no need for deep breaths, i maybe intense, but i am not tense. just looking to get some real veiws on something that is very close to my heart, and the implication that i was bitching about my scores was a bit much. it proves the other guy just read the last thread (really i dont want to be rude, but peoples opinions of my work means very little, but your ideas on improving, or new techniques means everything so i didnt put my stuff here to get accolades but learn to improve)
you know that sad part is i am in a good mood. lucky you didnt catch me when i was pissed. i would be banned in a heart beat
quote]Originally posted by airhead
Good advice - you might try it.
Being fairly new here and probably not used to forums that are not heavily moderated, I\'ll try to bring you up to speed.:
Nothing stays on-topic in the General Discussion forums. By page 3, I\'d bet a pint that they are now discussing beer or boobs or both. So don\'t take it personal if someone starts posting about something else.
Rosac did not: \"put you down\"/\"dis you\"/\"any other term you want to use.\"
I\'ve looked at your gallery. The bold colorations you use work well on the sci-fi guys, not so well on the historicals - they tend to be much more subdued with flat earth tones. That alone explains about one point in ratings. Another thing (and I\'m sorry that is sounds snobbish) is that lots of your minis are carrying the \"Another Mini\" title - which often results in a decreased score - often another point.
Couple the two things together and I can see why your historicals (which are carrying most of the \"Another Mini\" title) are rating lower than your sci-fi\'s.
Finally, the site is voted on by scads of other people besides those that reside in the forums. Lots of those unknown people find sci-fi cooler than moldy old soldiers and vote their hearts.
GW bashing is an artform around here. The basher is usually required to buy drinks for the rest of the forum over in the Freak Bar threads. Fortunately for you, virtual drinks are fairly inexpensive. BUT GW is the 600 pound gorilla. They are the majority of the miniature game business with the Clix guys giving them a bit of a run for their money - but those rubbery minis are not fun to paint.
Finally, as to the mods. They are around. If you didn\'t notice, it was Vikey that made me spew Dr. Pepper all over my keyboard in response to the threadomancy timeframe. He is one of our 2 active and respected Mods. Generally we try not to make them put on their Moderater hats and just enjoy their company.
Welcome to the madhouse that is CMON. I hope you decide to hang around.
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airhead
Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
Again, we are not that strictly moderated. You generally have to work at it to get banned around here. Bits of fresh are are much appriciated. Stick around.
If you are really wanting to improve. Grow some really thick skin (trust me) and post in the WIP section.
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wiccanpony
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like i said say what you want about the figures, just dont imply i am out mooching for a higher score. i am pretty sure i will get along ok.
well as long as people remember the simple rule, if someone was standing in front of you, would you say that? if yes, go ahead, of not, and really think about it, then maybe you shouldnt. not that it applies to you.
looking forward to learning more about my hobby, if not more about those that also do it
well as long as people remember the simple rule, if someone was standing in front of you, would you say that? if yes, go ahead, of not, and really think about it, then maybe you shouldnt. not that it applies to you.
looking forward to learning more about my hobby, if not more about those that also do it
lizcam
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I think you\'ll find that even in the most heated threads around here any critism is pretty constructive. It may at times be harsh but most of us moderate ourselves pretty well. I think in the last year there was only 1 person banned (I may be wrong) and he was lobbing personal attacks at other. Say what you will about the minis but don\'t get personal. And don\'t go looking for the fight in any comments you get either. It can be a rough crowd but if you keep an open mind they usually have good advise.
airhead
Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
No problem with pimping your minis. That is what the Discuss Submission forum is for.
You can improve here - filter out the noise and listen to the good hints and tricks - The articles (link found on the main page and voting pages) and the Painting forum are both great places for improving.
I assume you\'ve already discovered - that when you take the photo of your beautiful, perfect, amazing mini and blow it up to 10\" tall on a monitor, you will be amazed at the difference. The first time I did it, I though a 4 year old with a box of crayons had attacked my mini.
Sadly, photography is a goodly part of this as well. If we cannot see it, we cannot vote on it.
Hang out here in General for education in other areas of your life.
You can improve here - filter out the noise and listen to the good hints and tricks - The articles (link found on the main page and voting pages) and the Painting forum are both great places for improving.
I assume you\'ve already discovered - that when you take the photo of your beautiful, perfect, amazing mini and blow it up to 10\" tall on a monitor, you will be amazed at the difference. The first time I did it, I though a 4 year old with a box of crayons had attacked my mini.
Sadly, photography is a goodly part of this as well. If we cannot see it, we cannot vote on it.
Hang out here in General for education in other areas of your life.
I think there was a worse bias against historical miniatures a few years ago. You will still be able to see certain tendencies in favour of sci-fi and fantasy, but I think it will become less and less noticeable as the two sides of the hobby interact more and more.
You will always, probably, have various fan groups who will favour their particular objects of admiration, but I think the general painter crowd will get more and more open to all things.
What would really make a difference on the tendencies of this particular site is if more historical painters start to post their work here. As it is now, only a few dedicated historical painters do, and most historical stuff posted are made by fantasy/sci-fi painters who have \"branched out\".
I hope to get some of my historical stuff painted up so I can post it.
You will always, probably, have various fan groups who will favour their particular objects of admiration, but I think the general painter crowd will get more and more open to all things.
What would really make a difference on the tendencies of this particular site is if more historical painters start to post their work here. As it is now, only a few dedicated historical painters do, and most historical stuff posted are made by fantasy/sci-fi painters who have \"branched out\".
I hope to get some of my historical stuff painted up so I can post it.
mrbadexample
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seems to be a lot of Busts(and not the boobies kind) in the historical section. as well as a lot of large scale figs. i am thinking, since a large protion of sci fi fantasy stuff is 28mm that might throw things off as well.
hell even i dont know how to vote on busts, and i cant seem to find a \"skip feature\"
well i suppose its up to the historical guys to show the sci fi /fantsy guys that historicals can be a lot of fun as well, or at least things that you wouldnt think of as historical, like the stuff from pulp figures, or artizans designs thrilling adventures range.
i really want to put up m bronze age miniatures stuff as well, well its coming. just ave to get the cord that goes from my computer to my camera
hell even i dont know how to vote on busts, and i cant seem to find a \"skip feature\"
well i suppose its up to the historical guys to show the sci fi /fantsy guys that historicals can be a lot of fun as well, or at least things that you wouldnt think of as historical, like the stuff from pulp figures, or artizans designs thrilling adventures range.
i really want to put up m bronze age miniatures stuff as well, well its coming. just ave to get the cord that goes from my computer to my camera
AFAIK, most historical miniatures in the 25-28 mm range are basically wargames miniatures and might not make the most spectacular display pieces. And, since it\'s mostly \"painter painters\" (if you see what I mean) who post historical miniatures you\'d expect to find mostly larger stuff (i.e. 54 mm and upwards) and busts, as they are more appealing to those who want to produce display pieces.
How is it more difficult to vote on a bust than a full figure miniature? If it looks good it gets a high score, or am I missing something?
You can skip minis by clicking the right arrow in the upper right hand corner of the post. In the left hand corner is a left arrow that takes you back to the previous miniature you looked at.
How is it more difficult to vote on a bust than a full figure miniature? If it looks good it gets a high score, or am I missing something?
You can skip minis by clicking the right arrow in the upper right hand corner of the post. In the left hand corner is a left arrow that takes you back to the previous miniature you looked at.
mrbadexample
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didnt see the arrows will look in a second
as for busts, well as we have already discovered its not about the painting as much as if the figure is cool(they why dont we just post unpainted figs..oh because it really is about the painting)
and busts are only heads.and i guess i dont think they are that cool(AGGHH i hate to say that, i sound like a jerk) but they just dont do it for me.
i also thought that if you are doing some kind of diorama or vignette the subject or size would be somewhat irrelevant. as long as you made the over all effect worth while that would be what was important.
there is a group called \"the league of ausberg\" gamers. they have a few rules about demo games that they use and one is to have at least one good vignette in each game. but if you check out pics of thier games almost every unit has something dynamic in it.
whcih is to say if its cavalry, then there are either dead horseman, or fighting infantry or something on the bases of some of the figures to really make then stand out. THAT is the kind of thing that can be done with historicals to break the conception that it is dry and stuffy.
which is how a great many of the figs(espeically the tank dioramas) appear at the moment.
i suppose it will take a huge revolution to make that kind of thing more common in the historical market, but i think by adding those who do fantasy/sci fi stuff you might see more of that
as for busts, well as we have already discovered its not about the painting as much as if the figure is cool(they why dont we just post unpainted figs..oh because it really is about the painting)
and busts are only heads.and i guess i dont think they are that cool(AGGHH i hate to say that, i sound like a jerk) but they just dont do it for me.
i also thought that if you are doing some kind of diorama or vignette the subject or size would be somewhat irrelevant. as long as you made the over all effect worth while that would be what was important.
there is a group called \"the league of ausberg\" gamers. they have a few rules about demo games that they use and one is to have at least one good vignette in each game. but if you check out pics of thier games almost every unit has something dynamic in it.
whcih is to say if its cavalry, then there are either dead horseman, or fighting infantry or something on the bases of some of the figures to really make then stand out. THAT is the kind of thing that can be done with historicals to break the conception that it is dry and stuffy.
which is how a great many of the figs(espeically the tank dioramas) appear at the moment.
i suppose it will take a huge revolution to make that kind of thing more common in the historical market, but i think by adding those who do fantasy/sci fi stuff you might see more of that
Amazon warrior
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Isn\'t that ever so slightly hypocritical? Well, the clue is in the name: \"Cool mini or not\". And coolness is fantastically subjective and based on so many factors. You find that busts are not your thing, and someone else creams their pants over them. I personally prefer fantasy to scifi. But your problem seems to be that more people have decided that scifi=cool, historical=not. I dub this \"The Sheriff Woody Effect\"! Unfortunately, there\'s not much to be done about it other than perhaps increase exposure, and someone else pointed out that the bias is diminishing.
evil tendencies
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I like historicals if they are painted well - but a lot of them just suck. This is not directed at anyone in particular, but I have seen a fair amount of historical poo posted here and in real life.
When I was painting full-time, I think I found out why - most historical wargamers are looking for playing pieces, and could care less about the paintjobs except that they look enough like they should to enter tournament games. It was really bizarre - I could get a teenager to drop $100 on his fantasy army general, but I couldn\'t convince a lot of well-established guys to pay more than $1 per mini for 15mm squads of 10 (and they often wanted a one-day turnaround to boot).
This sort of behavior seemed to vary by age - the older guys didn\'t care about quality, and the younger guys were willing to take the time and money to get it done right.
EDIT: he he, I said \"historical poo...\"
When I was painting full-time, I think I found out why - most historical wargamers are looking for playing pieces, and could care less about the paintjobs except that they look enough like they should to enter tournament games. It was really bizarre - I could get a teenager to drop $100 on his fantasy army general, but I couldn\'t convince a lot of well-established guys to pay more than $1 per mini for 15mm squads of 10 (and they often wanted a one-day turnaround to boot).
This sort of behavior seemed to vary by age - the older guys didn\'t care about quality, and the younger guys were willing to take the time and money to get it done right.
EDIT: he he, I said \"historical poo...\"
