biased against historicals

[mrbadexample]

no this is simple maturity, the older guys are spending THIER money and the teenagers are either spending mommy and daddys money, or have no other expenses.
and it should tell you something, why on earth are people paying that much from one figure.

but you hit it on the head. most hitoricals are for gaming. of course we are in the wargaming hobby. at least i am. but i know that an army for say a game like piquet requires a LOT of figures, so cost is certainly and option. you try painting 500 figures(generally the same pose) to the exacting standard and you will go insane. i promise

Originally posted by evil tendencies
I like historicals if they are painted well - but a lot of them just suck. This is not directed at anyone in particular, but I have seen a fair amount of historical poo posted here and in real life.

When I was painting full-time, I think I found out why - most historical wargamers are looking for playing pieces, and could care less about the paintjobs except that they look enough like they should to enter tournament games. It was really bizarre - I could get a teenager to drop $100 on his fantasy army general, but I couldn\'t convince a lot of well-established guys to pay more than $1 per mini for 15mm squads of 10 (and they often wanted a one-day turnaround to boot).

This sort of behavior seemed to vary by age - the older guys didn\'t care about quality, and the younger guys were willing to take the time and money to get it done right.

EDIT: he he, I said \"historical poo...\"

 

[generulpoleaxe]

i know people who use historical figures for fantasy gaming and they pay good money just for rank and file

but on the whole historical gamers will pay less, both for figures and painters fees.
where the two sides of the hobby realy do unite as one is with display painting.
and that\'s where you see the fantasy guys learning as much as they can from the historical painters and vice versa.

the fantasy painters generaly look at the basing/modelling skills of the historical guys and the historical painters take a big interest in the \"arty\" styles of the fantasy painters.
and that\'s why you get the standards that you find in the top comps nowadays.

now if i could just split the genes of Jeremie and mr Lattore and combine them into one super painter and sculpter.......

oh yeh, they did,
he\'s called Allan lol

 

[evil tendencies]

Originally posted by mrbadexample

...the teenagers are either spending mommy and daddys money, or have no other expenses. And it should tell you something, why on earth are people paying that much for one figure.
...
You try painting 500 figures(generally the same pose) to the exacting standard and you will go insane. i promise

Just a point of argument - the teenager in question saved money for 6 months to get it painted, and I took a month on it just to make sure that I honored his trust in my skills. He knew the value of a nice army, and was willing to pay for it. Compare this to the guy(s) who said to me \"I only need three colors, so you\'re sure as :cussing: aren\'t going to get more than a buck per.\" That kid showed more maturity and judgment than most of the adults I worked with.

I do, however, know what you mean about the historical army painting. Leaves you right bouncing off the walls :bouncy:. It\'s worse than grading 6th grade essays.

 

[generulpoleaxe]

simple answer is not to except the shite paying, low quality wanting commisions.
inform them about asian painting services, as that\'s what they specialize in.

 

[mrbadexample]

thats spot on, you should know your audience,

i also disagree about the kid saving his allowance for 6 months being more mature. lets be honest, there are better things to spend your money on than miniatures(i know blasphemy) and what 16 year old needs a well painted army. the little fellow should be doing what i was doing at 16(and you too no doubt) either painting them himself and honing his own skill(thus ensuring he wont ever have to shell out hard earned lucre to have someone do what you can do yourself) and i dunno maybe going out, meeting girls and doing the other things i did with my money at 16.

sort of messed up that you charged the little bugger that much. but if they will pay it, then you should be charging it. thats business.
but i still disagree with the maturity aspect.
also older guys come from a time when figures werent that good anyway. you didnt need a good paint job on a 1970s hinchcliffe model, it would be a waste of a good paint job. you have to keep that in mind as well

Originally posted by generulpoleaxe
simple answer is not to except the shite paying, low quality wanting commisions.
inform them about asian painting services, as that\'s what they specialize in.

 

[evil tendencies]

Originally posted by mrbadexample

thats spot on, you should know your audience,

Umm, not to be a troll, but you should know yours - many, many people here make their money painting full-time.

I\'m getting thirsty. Drinks, anyone? :beer:

 

[wiccanpony]

:beer: the Freak Bar is open 24/7lol

 

[supervike]

Originally posted by wiccanpony
:beer: the Freak Bar is open 24/7lol

We\'ll be closed next Thursday for 1/2 an hour, as we have the Exterminator coming.

 

[wiccanpony]

Originally posted by supervike

Originally posted by wiccanpony
:beer: the Freak Bar is open 24/7lol

We\'ll be closed next Thursday for 1/2 an hour, as we have the Exterminator coming.

Exterminator!................. ok, who narked to the Board of Health:cussing:

 

[evil tendencies]

Er, <cough, cough>...

I didn\'t know that green slime outside your front door was part of your establishment. I\'m sorry...please don\'t hit me.:~(

 

[No Such Agency]

Originally posted by evil tendencies
Compare this to the guy(s) who said to me \"I only need three colors, so you\'re sure as :cussing: aren\'t going to get more than a buck per.\"

Hey, I could paint 15mm for $1 each, three colours. Another buck each and I\'ll even prime them first. Now, will they look like little soldiers afterwards, or tricolor blobs of goo? Well that\'s the customer\'s problem :twisted:

 

[generulpoleaxe]

Originally posted by wiccanpony

Originally posted by supervike

Originally posted by wiccanpony
:beer: the Freak Bar is open 24/7lol

We\'ll be closed next Thursday for 1/2 an hour, as we have the Exterminator coming.

Exterminator!................. ok, who narked to the Board of Health:cussing:

no, vike just forgot the space.
it\'s arnold that\'s coming, ex terminator lol

 

[mrbadexample]

i think you misuinderstood me. you should know your audience. your audience isnt the guys looking to only spend a coulple of bucks on crappily painted minis because they dont care. your audience is the guys that see the value in it. see i do sales. i dont waste my time with the people that dont see the value in what i have to offer. i dont see that you should either.
my other set of jobs are movie related, i wouldnt be too concerned if the squares and old folks who want to watch the latest julia roberts romantic comedy tear apart my movie, they wont get it.

so why waste your time with any marketing that targets those types of people. get it? its pretty basic business stuff really and i am sure now that you see what i mean you already knew this
and no worries you werent being a troll, you just lost what i was saying in the toneless world of script. it happens.


by the way my only complaint about guys who paint for a living is having to compete against you guys in painting contests at conventions. to me its like going to an amatuer free throw event and having to play against the knicks. but that is a minor issue, i have alot of respect for you guys doing what i am afraid to do.

do you have supplimental jobs(you know a \"day job as theatre people call it\" or do you make enough (fleecing those foolish 16 year olds..thats a joke) to support yourself with just the painting job?
to me its always seemed iffy, like opening a hobby shop

Originally posted by evil tendencies

Originally posted by mrbadexample

thats spot on, you should know your audience,

Umm, not to be a troll, but you should know yours - many, many people here make their money painting full-time.

I\'m getting thirsty. Drinks, anyone? :beer:

 

[Dragonsreach]

Originally posted by mrbadexample

do you have supplimental jobs(you know a \"day job as theatre people call it\" or do you make enough (fleecing those foolish 16 year olds..thats a joke) to support yourself with just the painting job?

mrbadexample: I\'m stepping in here as a Moderator because you are crossing a line with the statement I underlined above.

People who paint miniatures for a living are in the vast majority of cases well aware of their target audience. If that includes a 16 year old with enough planning skills to save his or her money for a specific enterprise then good for them.
Stating that they are \"Fleecing\" someone indicates intent to deceive, which painters who do commission work are not about.

I seriously think this thread has run it\'s course.

 

[mrbadexample]

sorry about that, however if you check above i had made a comment similar to that, which was considered acceptible to the fellow that i was talking to. I also understand the what i said and why i said it. It was meant to be humourous.
i think, given some of the things that i have had said to me here so far, this is well with in acceptible tollerance, and if they cant take a joke.... well then we can close the thread, kick me out and everyone will know who had the sense of humour, as misplaced and off colour as it maybe

Originally posted by Dragonsreach

Originally posted by mrbadexample

do you have supplimental jobs(you know a \"day job as theatre people call it\" or do you make enough (fleecing those foolish 16 year olds..thats a joke) to support yourself with just the painting job?

mrbadexample: I\'m stepping in here as a Moderator because you are crossing a line with the statement I underlined above.

People who paint miniatures for a living are in the vast majority of cases well aware of their target audience. If that includes a 16 year old with enough planning skills to save his or her money for a specific enterprise then good for them.
Stating that they are \"Fleecing\" someone indicates intent to deceive, which painters who do commission work are not about.

I seriously think this thread has run it\'s course.

 

[rosac]

and drink....:drunk:

dude, im a 15 yr old, and i have always had to spend my own money which i earn from a paper round (£15 a week)

stereotyping people is not a good idea. im not meaning to offend you, its just that placing teenagers as mummies boys/girls straight away is probably not the best of ideas.

thank you,

rosac

 

[matty1001]

Ooooo drama!

 

[rosac]

Hey mattys back!

been missing you buddy!

rosac

 

[squig hunter]

I have to say I agree with rosac, I\'m 13, I get £5 a week, the rest of what I spend comes from the commisions I do occasionally and summer jobs etc.
I think personally that if someone (regardless of age) wants to spend their money on for example a nicely painted army then they should have every right to do so and not get judged for it.
Casting every teenage gamer/painter as a whiny little kid who just spends they parents money is frankly a bit offensive:]
Also, saying that if you get kicked out now everyone will see who was the one with the sense of humour \"no matter how misplaced or off colour\" is a bit meh, isn\'t it? In some cases I\'d say it was sufficiently off colour or misplaced that I don\'t really know it it qualified as humour anymore

and it should tell you something, why on earth are people paying that much from one figure.

Why not, if they want it, then let them

i also disagree about the kid saving his allowance for 6 months being more mature. lets be honest, there are better things to spend your money on than miniatures(i know blasphemy) and what 16 year old needs a well painted army. the little fellow should be doing what i was doing at 16(and you too no doubt) either painting them himself and honing his own skill(thus ensuring he wont ever have to shell out hard earned lucre to have someone do what you can do yourself) and i dunno maybe going out, meeting girls and doing the other things i did with my money at 16.

sort of messed up that you charged the little bugger that much. but if they will pay it, then you should be charging it. thats business.
but i still disagree with the maturity aspect.
also older guys come from a time when figures werent that good anyway. you didnt need a good paint job on a 1970s hinchcliffe model, it would be a waste of a good paint job. you have to keep that in mind as well

Oh noes! Someone is doing something differently from the way you did it, burn them at the stake! :]

Messed up? There are a lot of professions that are seriously undervalued, and miniature painting is one of them, considering time, skill, etc. most painted minis are cheap, especially for something that someone has really taken a lot of time over.

And finally, we\'ve taken plenty of your \"jokes\", and you could well consider being a bit more thoughtfull of what you put in your posts from now on.

 

[matty1001]

Who\'s been feeding the teenagers around here?

All the chemicals in their Findus crispy pancakes seem to be making them very tetchy!