Bloody Fargin\' Stupid Political Correctness ...

Alright, this spate of Political Correctness has just gone waaaaaay too friggin far if you ask me (and you didn\'t, but I\'m venting, so there .. nyaaah).

I can see how some things can be doctored up, put a better light upon, take other peoples consideration into thought but I think it has just gone over the top and this most recent malarky with Christmas has just put the top on for me.

First and foremost, and I don\'t mean to offend anyone here as it is my own views, but \'organized\' religion has absolutely no meaning for me and I think it was and continues to be a means to control the masses, keep the top peeps in as fat cats and as a way to policital power (as much as they say that its not). I just don\'t care for it, but I am more than willing to allow others their say on it as well as their views and I respect that - don\'t preach to me and I won\'t put a foot up yer ass. That being said, my wife and children are fairly religious, my wife a bit over the top if you ask me, but we\'ve learned to live with that aspect of our lives and my children go their own way without me interfering.

So, as you can see ... not a religious fellow. That was the lead up .. here is the meat of it.

Now we\'ve got everyone and their brother bitching and bellyaching about the fact that we\'re celebrating \'Christmas\' or say \'Merry Christmas\'. Simple, the masses are celebrating Christs birthday, even though I\'m cynical enough to point out that reallistically we\'re simply spending money and perpetuating a merchant holiday. But I digress.

So now we\'ve got people who are so uptight, or even better (sarcasm) are complete friggin foriegners, having fits over people celebrating christmas or saying merry x-mas because its not their religion, beliefs or views and have gone so far as to sue major retail stores for having X-mas parades, parties or putting up fucking decorated trees.

Hrmmm, now I\'m going off my brain here so I may get locations wrong but I\'ll back them up with internet searches if I have to but in Boston I think it was that last year they damn near poleaxed the major for saying Merry X-mas instead of Happy Holidays and he made an apology. Then there are the schools that aren\'t putting on a majority of songs or plays in theater because they deal with jesus, god, christ or ... bless me here ... Tiny Tim in Scrooge stands up at the end and says \'And may GOD BLESS every one of us\'. Oh, and the Macy\'s X-mas Parade is no longer that ... it is a HOLIDAY Parade.

C\'mon now ... what the hell is going on. Do I bitch and moan when Chanukah, Kwanzaa or any other fargin holidays that I\'m not familiar with or don\'t take part in? Nope ... not at all.

So my thing is, if you don\'t believe in X-mas or even feel good about it, don\'t participate, I don\'t think I\'m going to get heavy into Kwanzaa any time soon. It\'s a holiday, important to a good many people (though not for what it used to be I\'m sure) and simply put, if you don\'t like it, shut yer yap about it and don\'t celebrate it. No one is twisting your arm.

That being said ... I hope all of you that wish to celebrate it have a MERRY CHRISTMAS.
 

pitynoman

Member
Agreed! I don\'t think those people are actually offended, no intelligent person could be. It\'s a new wave of artificial sensitivity that focuses not on person\'s rights, but on taking away other people\'s freedom. Under new rules of society if one person can\'t be happy, we HAVE to arbitrarily take away EVERYONE\'s right to be happy to level the field.
I celebrate Christmas, my family celebrates Chanukah, but now we are being force fed Good Holiday Season! It\'s sick.
 

supervike

Super Moderator
is that PC?

Originally posted by dauber22
are we having a bad day. FF ???
Vent away. It\'s good for the soul :bouncy:

Can one say that it is \"good for the soul\" without offending non soul believers?

lollollol
 

wiccanpony

Official Freak Bar Witch
:) Merry Christmas..Bright Yule, Happy Chanukah, Seasons Greetings, Peace, Love, Joy! in others words everyone enjoy this time of year as you wish :flip:

yes PC sucks.
 

green stuff

Active member
*** putting on Tactical Dreadnought Terminator Armor ***

Technicaly, they\'re not celebrating Christ\'s birth. If I\'m not mistaken, it was decided on that day to coincide with a pagan ceremony that celebrated the coming of Spring and of the sun god (check it out here).

What I find more startling is the phrase \"In God we Trust\" on USA one dollar bills (this is where the armor comes in handy ;)). If I read between the lines it supposes that as long as you\'re religeous, it\'s OK; if not than people will look at you strangely. I may be European, but I lived 5 years in the States, and I found that was kind of strange for a country that claimes to be the land of freedom. Otherwise, great country and I always take pleasure going back there.

*** heads for the bunker *** ;)
 

Silence

New member
Yeah, you are right, christmas sucks nowadays. It isn\'t \"real\" anymore. Here in germany i think about 1/3 of the population doesn\'t know about the christmas story. The abuse christmas for getting drunk on christmas markets and buying presents. As if I couldn\'t buy my minis during the year -_-.
I\'m really pissed on by the \"friendly\" people in the christmas time. I also hate it to go to the ceremony in church on december 24th. All these fake christians make me sick.
We have swichtched from tradition to comercial use.
 

ZaPhOd

Super Moderator
Heh. I would love to rave on about Bleeding Hearts, and minority rights. Vlad, you hit the nail on the head. Because one person isn\'t happy, no one has the *right* to be happy....

It gets sickening watching my government blow zillions on debates about things that frankly shouldn\'t be debated... That\'s just my opinion, but I think a lot of folks feel that way.
 
Am I having a bad day ... nah ... but I\'m aggrivated to all hell and back about being forced to be \'PC\' and everyone and their mother getting their panties in a twist and automatically sueing the fuck out of someone or going to the boss and trying to get someone fired over this or that (seeing that at work lately).

So ... yeah ... frustrated in general about it.


Originally posted by Silence
Yeah, you are right, christmas sucks nowadays. It isn\'t \"real\" anymore. Here in germany i think about 1/3 of the population doesn\'t know about the christmas story. The abuse christmas for getting drunk on christmas markets and buying presents. As if I couldn\'t buy my minis during the year -_-.
I\'m really pissed on by the \"friendly\" people in the christmas time. I also hate it to go to the ceremony in church on december 24th. All these fake christians make me sick.
We have swichtched from tradition to comercial use.

Told ya I wasn\'t a religious fella ... for me, its time to spend with the family and to enjoy the gifts, honestly, but at the same time I\'m a hypocrite for bitching about the comercialization of it all - I mean, when you see X-mas stuff out the DAY AFTER HALLOWEEN there is a problem. Whole nother holiday in there for us Americans. Grrr.

As for the \'In God We Trust\' and so forth and so on, well to be blunt, America was more or less founded by folks looking for religious freedom and whether we like it or not, religion, all forms of it, played a VERY heavy part in all people and countries way back in the day, especially Europe. Fact is, I stand and say the Pledge of Allegiance and honor my country. I may not always agree with what is going on and how things are being done, but I support my country and our troops.

Case in point. Me, not religious ... stated that right? Pledge allegiance to the nation ... under god ... blah, blah ...\". Some ass the other day decided he wasn\'t going to say the allegiance at my daughters play at school and was rather \'vocal\' about all us \'idiots\' standing and pledging to the flag and about us being \'religious morons\'.

Lets just say it didn\'t go well. For any of those that have ever been in the south, you\'ll know that we tend to do things a bit differently down here. Well he no more than said two words when he looked around and found that he had twelve or so individuals standing about him and looking at him pointedly, including myself and my father who had come to the function. One gentleman gently said, \"I think you have two options sir, stand and say it (at this time everyone was waiting for the kids to get in place to say the pledge) or find your way out of here.\"

Needless to say we all puffed up and looked menacingly at the fellow and you know what ... the little bastard stood up rather quickly, said the pledge and then promptly got the frack out of there. We all missed the first part of the play as we all smilled from ear to ear over the situation.

Bloodly moron.
 

airhead

Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
My calendar still says that December 25 is Christmas. As long as it says that, Merry Christmas.

By the way, they generally have it backwards on the separation of church and state stuff. They (the founding fathers) did not want the state to dictate a religion (al a Church of England). They had no problem with religion being in the state - prayer before senate meetings, etc., as they were predominantly Christian of some sort or another.
 

Ritual

New member
In my experience no muslims, jews, buddhists, or whatever, get offended by us celebrating christmas. It\'s just people, for whom political correctness is a part of their identity and something that boosts their egos, that claim these things and invent these stupid ideas about changing names on things and \"banning\" certain songs and symbols. I know people from lots of different cultures and this is not an issue as far as they are concerned.

Man, ranting seems to be contagious... :innocent:

-Anders
 

green stuff

Active member
@Frustrated Father : so the guy was a \"moron\" to not apply the saying \"when in Rome, do as the Romans\", but I do think your group overreacted a bit. One thing that I appreceated when I was in school in the States was that the teacher asked my parents if they had a problem with me saying the pledge since we weren\'t americans : that\'s tolerance and freedom.

Hum, here\'s a wild one : what\'s the difference between patriotism and propaganda? Mind you, it\'s just for the sake of going beyond the \"PC\" theme ;).
 
@Green Stuff:

Actually, more than one individual didn\'t bother to stand up or say pledge, which to me is perfectly fine and dandy - but at the same - when you are going to verbal and obviously meant to be heard about calling all the individuals around you idiots and other rude words, then I think the man more than got what he deserved.

Personally, I can care less about praying (I don\'t do it, don\'t care for my kids to do it in schoole), pledging (its ingrained in me and I do it out of respect now) or any other numerous things. My whole thing is - if you don\'t like it or don\'t want to participate, that is GREAT and FINE ... just don\'t be a complete ass about it to everyone that is into it, much less start screaming and making it a PC situation.
 

airhead

Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
Green Stuff, if you are a French citizen, I could understand you not saying the pledge - and I wouldn\'t expect you to. I would expect you to stand during the anthem just as I would stand during yours, not for allegience, but for respect (unless you are physically unable to stand - that is another matter altogether). There is at least one major religious sect that does not allow their children to say the pledge due to their interpretation of the first commandment - and I have no problem with that either.

I try to be tolerant of other views, but don\'t squash mine because of it. On one hand, the political pendilum seems to be swinging back toward conservative in this country, yet the fringe extreeme seems to be fighting it all the way.
 

frenchkid

New member
Oh no, another political thread .... :p
Speaking for myself I don\'t really consider christmas to be a religious holiday, As greenstuff said according to the bible jesus wasn\'t even born on that day. I just consider it a fun, peace promoting holiday :D
As for the pledge I never said it will in the US and people never had probleme with that. I must say that I find the idea of doing a pledge to your country everyday a bit strange but not about to say it\'s wrong people are free to do as they wish.
And the part about \"in god we trust\" on the bill guess it\'s blanced out by the illuminati symbol just above it:p
 

green stuff

Active member
Message original : frenchkid
And the part about \"in god we trust\" on the bill guess it\'s blanced out by the illuminati symbol just above it:p
I never understood what the spider and the owl where supposed to represent. Anybody have info on that?
 

green stuff

Active member
Message original : frenchkid
harry potter and spider-man :p
LOL lol

Well at least the americans have money with history in it. The Euro bills have abstract monuments so that no country would feel forgotten ... to bad, they could have put known monuments and every 2 or 5 years changed them to cover every country and fight counterfeit money at the same time.
 
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