Crazy idea??

Shawn R. L.

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Been thinking about this whole financial mess thing. Ya think this whole thing may have been allowed/caused to happen so something can replace what now is? Sort of like - ooops, letting the house burn down so we (fill in your favorite villain/savior) can build something different (better, worse, fair, unfair, etc...)????:eek:
 

uberdark

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Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
Been thinking about this whole financial mess thing. Ya think this whole thing may have been allowed/caused to happen so something can replace what now is? Sort of like - ooops, letting the house burn down so we (fill in your favorite villain/savior) can build something different (better, worse, fair, unfair, etc...)????:eek:

nope.....its just the squirrels.
 

johnboyjjb

Active member
I know some people have suggested that driving down the markets will cause the dollar to weaken extensively creating a new form of accepted currency across the US, Canada, and Mexico. I remember one guy predicted it happening by this time next year.
 

BarstoolProphet

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If we get a jump on it, now, we can make painted minis the new currency.

I, for one, don\'t want to use coconuts. They\'re just too big, and who wants to haul around a bunch of hairy nuts all the time? Bad enough, being male, y\'know?
 

uberdark

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Originally posted by BarstoolProphet
If we get a jump on it, now, we can make painted minis the new currency.

I, for one, don\'t want to use coconuts. They\'re just too big, and who wants to haul around a bunch of hairy nuts all the time? Bad enough, being male, y\'know?

well you can always shave em\'

hehe.
 

No Such Agency

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Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
Been thinking about this whole financial mess thing. Ya think this whole thing may have been allowed/caused to happen so something can replace what now is? Sort of like - ooops, letting the house burn down so we (fill in your favorite villain/savior) can build something different (better, worse, fair, unfair, etc...)????:eek:
Look up \"disaster capitalism\".

\"...practitioners of the shock doctrine tend to seek a blank slate on which to create their ideal free market economies, which inevitably requires an usually [sic] violent destruction of existing economic order.\" - Wikipedia

(If you are a fan of laissez-faire evangelist Milton Friedman you may not like what you hear)

The general idea being, when people are scrambling to survive or deal with a radically changing situation, it\'s the perfect time for government to do whatever their big business buddies want, announce it as a done deal, and implement it before the general public has had time to figure out what the hell is going on.
 

Evil Dave

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Originally posted by No Such Agency
Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
Been thinking about this whole financial mess thing. Ya think this whole thing may have been allowed/caused to happen so something can replace what now is? Sort of like - ooops, letting the house burn down so we (fill in your favorite villain/savior) can build something different (better, worse, fair, unfair, etc...)????:eek:
Look up \"disaster capitalism\".

\"...practitioners of the shock doctrine tend to seek a blank slate on which to create their ideal free market economies, which inevitably requires an usually [sic] violent destruction of existing economic order.\" - Wikipedia

(If you are a fan of laissez-faire evangelist Milton Friedman you may not like what you hear)

The general idea being, when people are scrambling to survive or deal with a radically changing situation, it\'s the perfect time for government to do whatever their big business buddies want, announce it as a done deal, and implement it before the general public has had time to figure out what the hell is going on.

I might believe this if it hadn\'t been readily apparent to anyone who watched the banks that this was going to happen. The New York Times predicted this back in 1996. I pulled my bank stock out 5 years ago when I realized they were giving substantial housing loans to illegal immigrants.

The book also alleges those pesky \"Neocons\" have a lot to do with it. Well, that\'s all fine and dandy until you do a little research and find this has been coming since the Carter administration and was sped up tremendously by the Clinton Administration. Over the years there have been many Republican attempts to regulate Fannie Mae/Freddy Mac, a fact which even President Bill Clinton admits to. Link
After this LINK Sen. Charles Hagel [R-NE] along with cosponsors Sen. Elizabeth Dole [R-NC],Sen. John McCain [R-AZ], and Sen. John Sununu [R-NH]
tried to pass S. 190 [109th]: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, in which regulation was to be put on FMae/FMac. Democrats let it be known that this would be a party vote and that they would filibuster, Republicans not having the 60 votes necessary to force it through had to drop the bill. It never made it out of committee.
It is also documented the President Bush warned Congress 17 times in 2008 alone to do something about the two GSE\'s.
Some like to blame the government for derugulating many of the banks, but this seems to be a canard, since many economists are saying that deregulation of the banks allowed them to spread into other areas making them able to spread the blow more evenly when all the bad mortgages hit. That had de regulation not occurred almost every bank would have simultaneously crashed, being, much, much worse. The deregulation had no effect on FMae and FMac since these were GSE\'s under different regulations.

Personally, I believe everyone involved, Democrat, Republican, CEO\'s, everyone who took \"campaign contributions\" (read bribes)
on this LIST should have their heads delivered on a plate to the taxpayers. Literally. Well, after giving the money back.

Notice this would take out all Presidential Candidates with the exception of Bob Barr the Libertarian Party candidate who hasn\'t got a chance in hell of winning. I say it defaults to him because he\'s the least crooked.

There is so much involvement, all of which was beyond the scope and powers listed in the enumerated powers of Congress in the US Constitution, and there will never be an investigation.
I have written my Congressmen and demanded one. I advise you all to do the same.
 

demonherald

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It\'s one of those keep passing the buck and now they are all running out of someone to pass it to...
so much of Bush\'s term has been focused on the war on terror (that\'s all I hear anyways) that this ever building problem has been sidelined .. then ooops bang . there it is... errrrr stumble along a bit.. knock together an emergency package then .. here\'s the keys .. enjoy your stay in the whitehouse I\'m going golfing now........

Blair bailed here ..he probably got sick of chucking the buckets of water out of the boat....

Now the proverbial shit has hit the proverbial fan for all to see.. It\'s been ignored hidden and treaded carefully around for the last 10-15 years as the buck get\'s passed from one to the other to the other until its all collapsed ...

The thing is rumour and speculation make it worse.. the media concentrates on every business closing down or nearly closing (this has happened all the time anyway it\'s just now it\'s the hot topic....) This leads to more paranoia which in turn leads to more problems....

The british finacial infrastructure has been screwed up since the days of Iron Maggie .. Immigrants been given houses at tiny mortgage or rent rates then sending all their hardearned back to their home countries...

Privatisation.. sell off our utilities and turn in into a profit driven market.Instead of pleasing a nation please sharholders.

endless ads .. \"buy now pay 2010\" , need \"a credit card decision in seconds,\" \"interest free payments for five years\" so on and so on, followed by consolidate your debts, make one easy monthly repayment, followed by,\" a loophole in the law (insolvency agreement) means you can pass off your debts and any you simply cannot afford will be scratched.\".. followed by\" having trouble getting credit, bankrupt under an insolvency agreement.?. we can help..\"....


changes in the law so even bankruptcy and a shite crdit rating doesn\'t affect your chances of getting credit and then no matter how much debt you have it can all be repaid at 3p a month .

It\'s all gone a bit tits up really and now those wanting to get in power are promising the world and that they have all the solutions as long as they get the votes.... it\'s all good fun really.. Kind of shows one of the weak spots of government in general.. I mean if those waiting in the wings really do have all the answers then why not share them in the first place people are suffering in this and party differences should be set aside and national measures put in place...,,, for the good of the people or for the good of those in power???
:cussing:


anyway that\'s my ranting donebedtime now...
 

PegaZus

Stealth Freak
Didja watch the market crash today?! BEAUTIFUL! Picked up WMT, KO, MCD, and CAT at pretty cheap prices! Let the recession begin!

Figured I\'ve covered my sunglasses, a Coke, a burger, and a bulldozer, so I\'m set to plow under some houses. Beep beep beep beep!
 

darklord

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its all squigs fault.

this has come from greed, its all about profit these days. i did some work for a credit card company for a while, and the FSA rules (then if not now) were people could get credit upto 1/3 of their income (excluding mortgages) funsuprisingly i never saw that being an issue for the credi companies.
I dont profess to understand short selling and hedge funds much but it seems a lack of regulations have caused much of this. A lot of these people will make even more from the market as it is now. The problem with our goverment (like a lot) are they look to donations for campaigns and a lot of that comes from business. The are on company boards, friends run companies etc, so when we need some restraint and real governance can we really expect this will be for the good of people or the good of business?


one interesting thing i read was people\'s perception of the crisis, because most of us have grown up in a relativley stable time we arent used to hardships like older people are (wars, 3 day weeks, fuel crisis etc) so when fuel goes up we moan a lot because our proportion of income spent on it is less than say 50 years ago when people didnt have free cash to spend on luxuries
 

generulpoleaxe

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Originally posted by darklord
its all squigs fault.

this has come from greed, its all about profit these days. i did some work for a credit card company for a while, and the FSA rules (then if not now) were people could get credit upto 1/3 of their income (excluding mortgages) funsuprisingly i never saw that being an issue for the credi companies.
I dont profess to understand short selling and hedge funds much but it seems a lack of regulations have caused much of this. A lot of these people will make even more from the market as it is now. The problem with our goverment (like a lot) are they look to donations for campaigns and a lot of that comes from business. The are on company boards, friends run companies etc, so when we need some restraint and real governance can we really expect this will be for the good of people or the good of business?


one interesting thing i read was people\'s perception of the crisis, because most of us have grown up in a relativley stable time we arent used to hardships like older people are (wars, 3 day weeks, fuel crisis etc) so when fuel goes up we moan a lot because our proportion of income spent on it is less than say 50 years ago when people didnt have free cash to spend on luxuries

i agree apart from that our parents and grandparents didn\'t have the utility bills we now face on top of it.
council taxes are way higher now (in proportion to most peoples wages)
and a lot of people are getting pay cuts (that\'s the lucky ones, the others are getting axed)

and to top it off the ones who are at the top are actualy making more money out of all this shit.

ah well, it won\'t be long before we end up in the trans marsche region and only have corupt fuckwits in charge of us, instead of corupt commie fuckwits.
 

Shawn R. L.

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Originally posted by No Such Agency

The general idea being, when people are scrambling to survive or deal with a radically changing situation, it\'s the perfect time for government to do whatever their big business buddies want, announce it as a done deal, and implement it before the general public has had time to figure out what the hell is going on.

My thoughts exactly. Sort of a Reichstag fire.
 

darklord

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Originally posted by generulpoleaxe
Originally posted by darklord
one interesting thing i read was people\'s perception of the crisis, because most of us have grown up in a relativley stable time we arent used to hardships like older people are (wars, 3 day weeks, fuel crisis etc) so when fuel goes up we moan a lot because our proportion of income spent on it is less than say 50 years ago when people didnt have free cash to spend on luxuries

i agree apart from that our parents and grandparents didn\'t have the utility bills we now face on top of it.
council taxes are way higher now (in proportion to most peoples wages)
and a lot of people are getting pay cuts (that\'s the lucky ones, the others are getting axed)

back then there was less disposable income and less of a throw away society. things were built to last, i know people that change their mobile phones every 6 months because its \'outdated\'. we spend more on frivalous items these days - broadband, moblies, sat navs, fake tans and everybody wants this stuff when they either cant afford it or cant be bothered to save up for it. a lot of that is down to advertising and this whole celebrity culture. it also shows that yes banks have been greedy but so have the people who readily accept the money
 
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