Copperwolf
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Warmachines have better sculpts, and cheaper prices. Ef GW
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MAXXxxx
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so true, love their service, and most of their minis.
Not only many others are there, but with excellent sculpts, so yes, not that much to worry.
with this I disagree a bit.
The sculpts are a personal taste. Beside some Cryx I don't like any of the WM ones. No idea why but the PP minis are at the bottom for me (well at least to compared to wyrd/kingdomdeath/sodapop/other small manufacturers, but with the DarkEldar and new Necrons even to GW)
cheaper... well
10 Wych costs about 18GBP.
10 Banethralls costs 58GBP (52.5 @ maelstorm). It's about 3 times the price. I wouldn't exactly call it cheaper (especially as I love to run with Goreshade+Tartarus+LotsaThralls).
it's true that starting a new faction of warmahordes costs a lot less, than a wh army, but unit-by-unit they are about the same or even PP costs more.
wh costs simply more because of the scale. You'll need more units to buy.
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To go off topic slightly, I'm someone who normally defends GW to a fairly wide extent, but boy the staff in my local store have really screwed up.
I just found out one of them has been talking shit about me to customers because I buy multiple copies of things with the intention of selling them. One of those customers is friends with a workmate of mine and it got back to me.
So, yes I do, I paint models and sell them. I also am about to do this in a full time capacity (which the staff are aware of) so will be needing to purchase even more items. I go into this store and pretty much buy at least one of every single new release GW brings out, sometimes two or three. I bought a load of Dreadfleet and had two copies painted up in four or five days and I believe that purchase was what prompted them to diss me to other customers.
Now, I don't really care less what the staff at GW think of me, I'm grown up enough to not need their approval in any way. It's nice to have a rappore with them, but I'd be just as happy to head in get what I need and get back out of the store. Once they start to bad mouth you to other customers though. Wow! I do my best to think of others in a positive way and try and understand their motivation behind any sort of action, even if I find it negative, but this is just the height of stupidity.
Even if they don't agree with me selling stuff, what does it matter. It's not like I'm buying up food parcels before they can make it to the hungry masses in disaster hit areas of the world, I'm spending money on toy soldiers and boosting their takings quite a lot. I've been buying their stuff for 22 years and I've spent tens of thousands on it. I have no reason to feel any guilt about using my skills at selling stuff. Once that products through the till it's done. It's not precious, it's not special stuff, it's a barcode to scan and boost daily takings.
They've just ensured that rather than spend between £500 and £1,000 a month in their store, I'll never give them my custom again. Way to loose about £10k a year GW Friar Lane. Now I just need to decide if I only talk to the manager about it or go to the person in charge of Hobby Centres at HQ. Whoopsie!
I just found out one of them has been talking shit about me to customers because I buy multiple copies of things with the intention of selling them. One of those customers is friends with a workmate of mine and it got back to me.
So, yes I do, I paint models and sell them. I also am about to do this in a full time capacity (which the staff are aware of) so will be needing to purchase even more items. I go into this store and pretty much buy at least one of every single new release GW brings out, sometimes two or three. I bought a load of Dreadfleet and had two copies painted up in four or five days and I believe that purchase was what prompted them to diss me to other customers.
Now, I don't really care less what the staff at GW think of me, I'm grown up enough to not need their approval in any way. It's nice to have a rappore with them, but I'd be just as happy to head in get what I need and get back out of the store. Once they start to bad mouth you to other customers though. Wow! I do my best to think of others in a positive way and try and understand their motivation behind any sort of action, even if I find it negative, but this is just the height of stupidity.
Even if they don't agree with me selling stuff, what does it matter. It's not like I'm buying up food parcels before they can make it to the hungry masses in disaster hit areas of the world, I'm spending money on toy soldiers and boosting their takings quite a lot. I've been buying their stuff for 22 years and I've spent tens of thousands on it. I have no reason to feel any guilt about using my skills at selling stuff. Once that products through the till it's done. It's not precious, it's not special stuff, it's a barcode to scan and boost daily takings.
They've just ensured that rather than spend between £500 and £1,000 a month in their store, I'll never give them my custom again. Way to loose about £10k a year GW Friar Lane. Now I just need to decide if I only talk to the manager about it or go to the person in charge of Hobby Centres at HQ. Whoopsie!
Pictish Mini Painting
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Iono, i understand your pain.
GW have, for quite a hwile had a bit of a thing about people who they know sell armies or figures on e-bay\commissions etc etc for quite some time.
They feel that it is taking away their business. My argument was that they had my money, and the people who buy my painted armies etc, had the type of money to buy a lot more from GW if they wanted to, but they often just wanted the quick army that was painted etc.
At the end of the day, you are paying their wages, so they can't complain or comment on what you do with your products once you have bought them.
GW have, for quite a hwile had a bit of a thing about people who they know sell armies or figures on e-bay\commissions etc etc for quite some time.
They feel that it is taking away their business. My argument was that they had my money, and the people who buy my painted armies etc, had the type of money to buy a lot more from GW if they wanted to, but they often just wanted the quick army that was painted etc.
At the end of the day, you are paying their wages, so they can't complain or comment on what you do with your products once you have bought them.
well, this is all a matter of personal taste. but as far as i have experienced, there are only a few companies that have better sculpts than gw, enigma and darksword are amongst those. gws minis are really stylistic and surreal, but most new releases are great sculpts. the fact that alot of old horrible minis are produced in finecast at the same price as the high quality stuff is bs. warmachine has horrible sculpts, hasselfree is cheap, but the sculpts are at a very low level. again, this is personal taste. i guess i´m a fanboy...
me_in_japan
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yowza. Talk about kicking over the hornet's nest...
Weird taste then, slagging off one of the best sculptors that work in the 30-ish mm size. Low level of skullz and spikes, maybe, but if you want elegance, crisp detail and a thorough understanding of anatomy then Hasslefree is high level indeed! I think the popularity of HF minis at various (non-GW) painting competitions and the number of companies that Kev White has done freelance work for speaks for itself.
i really need to reconsider my view of hasselfree then, allways had an idea that they were lacking highly in anatomy, big titties and oversized forearms. i know i´m being controversial in what i´m saying, it´s just i have yet to see a hasselfree that "i dont think" doesnt look like a stuntie with a oversized sword^^ i could understand people who like hasselfree though, they have a lot of sculpts that are unique and easily useable in dioramas. but anyhow, i dont see the crisp details i´m afraid. i´m not saying i could do better, and i´m not bashing kev white, love the work he´s done for other companies, but have yet to see a single hasselfree mini i was excited to paint. wyrd and darksword have minis that are lightyears better when it comes to anatomy, according to me.
James, you really need to make this an issue, talk to both local manager and insist on raising formal discussion/complaint with area manager. Hell, if he's been badmouthing you it could well be considered Slander.
agree with dragonsreach, that sound like some absolute bullshit indeed. since gw doesnt offer the service of prepainted minis they shouldnt have problem with it. i know my local gw doesnt have a problem with it, one of them even considered ordering a comission from me. never heard of staff having problems with that before!
I'd say you need to reconsider a lot of things, starting with GW's disproportionate anatomy on their sculpts.
I'm sorry to say that your posts are displaying a limited, if not slightly blinkered viewpoint, about the "value" of GW, in the toy soldier market. In honesty GW has a very limited bandwidth for useage, whereas Wyrd, Hasslefree, Reaper, Privateer Press lend themselves to more games/roles.
yes they do. gws minis are very limited to their own game universes. so are the anatomies, but they work in their context and have a high anatomical consistency. post a link to a in your view realistic hasselfree mini and i´ll give it some thought, looked through cmon shops hasselfree minis and i find nearly all of them very cartoony, with big hands, and lacking important anatomical detals such as knuckles, kneestructure and strong facial features. the fact that i´m not a player at all may complicate my view slightly, neverplayed a single game of miniature games, but painted since i were 8. my knowledge of the toy soldier market is indeed rather limited. note: i´m just a dude on the interwebs with different views, no need get upset over my ignorance^^ i know these things can get out of hand
kathrynloch
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Seriously! You are a paying customer...period...end of story. A GW employee has absolutely no right to bad mouth you for any reason. Once you purchase those minis they are yours to do with as you please. As long as you don't violate intellectual property laws with them, there is nothing they can do or say. Considering how foot-loose and fancy free GW is with their lawyers, if there was a problem with painting for resale, we'd have heard about it by now. I don't care if GW likes it or not, that employee has no business saying anything. And personally, I'd drop some serious hints that on this subject, your lawyer could beat up their lawyers.
Although these cases are notoriously difficult to prove, the customer service issue is not. As I said you are a paying customer and that is literally where the buck stops. The employee should at least get a reprimand and be made to stop or lose his job.
/hijack - sorry OP.
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freakinacage
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jeesus! pm sent
sorry guys, but i still dont see it. qualitywise looks like something other companies did in the 90s, flat, round unrealistic faces and i can tell what tools were used. guess i´m silly=/ it´s wierd, since i´ve never really talked to anyone who doesnt like hasselfree. i see that they´re all going for realism and are contemporary, but i find them bulky!
i guess i´ll pick a few up and give them a proper shot, instead of hijacking your thread further^^ back to why gw sucks!
i guess i´ll pick a few up and give them a proper shot, instead of hijacking your thread further^^ back to why gw sucks!
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wiccanpony
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tired sigh ......... heads over to Freak Bar's CD lounge ..... when I first started this Hobby, there was "No" GW, so they didn''t do a thing for me XD
Avelorn
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They are not perfect in proportion (not many miniatures are) and he's not the best face sculptor but pick one or two up and you'll see why people love painting them. I sure do. Didn't like many of them that much before I had the chance to see them IRL and paint them. They might be a bit smaller then you think as well.
However GW have some fantastic sculptors too and I don't think your taste seem weird at all.
kathrynloch
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lol! Hang in there hun! I remember when FASA was owned by FASA.
bensnewman
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I can definately understand why more and more of the gaming club i go to are defecting to war machine and malifaux
Baboon Tycoon
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Yeah, tig ol' bitties. Most look like they jumped out of a Heavy Metal issue, so I wouldn't call them realistic by any stretch. They're very stylized. I'd put them in a very different category than reaper, red box, rackham, etc.
