December 21, 2012?

mattrock

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The end of the world as we know it?

Am I late to this table? I hadn\'t heard anything about this until last night on the History channel.

I\'m not overly impressed by all the predictions in cultural and religious texts as they\'ve only predicted the end of the world like a million times before and been wrong every time.

What is a little disconcerting to me is that geophysicists are now chiming in saying that we will face a reversal of poles on that date that very well may result in a cataclysmic event as the earth begins to change the direction of it\'s rotation.

Scary :no:

If you don\'t know about it, just google the date. It\'s apparently freakin\' everywhere.

Your thoughts?

BTW, in all seriousness, while interesting, I can\'t help but think if the majority of the scientific community agreed on the nature of the pole shift I think we\'d largely forget about global warming and turn the focus here.
 

Rigged4Mini

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Personally, I think I\'d like to live to see the end of the world. A fine closing to ones life.

Some people have been fortunate enough to live during the greatest eras of human civilization. Whats better then living to see it finally end?
 

PegaZus

Stealth Freak
Its bunk. Don\'t worry about the date.

I remember in the 80\'s (oh god... not another ramblin\' ol\' man story) HBO had this special on Nostradamus, narrated by Orsen Wells. I was maybe 9 or 10 at the time and was so scared because he\'d predicted world wide drought! I was saving two liter bottles of water and stuffing them under my bed to \"prepare\". Got set straight by Mom and never went thirsty.

Getting back to the Mayans, Dec 21, 2012 will just represent the start of the thirteenth b\'ak\'tun. More akin to the turning of a millinium. And the \"truncation\" to five digits is the equivalent of the Year 2000 bug.
 

mattrock

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Mayans, shmayans. It\'s the ramifications of the poll reversal I\'m intrigued by.

But I agree that it bears a striking resemblance to the sky is falling mentality of the Y2K debacle.
 

Yramrag

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Apparently the poles reverse every so often (in geological dating at least). They have found evidence of it happening at least 3 times previously and have hypothesized that it occurs every .... so many years. Sorry i can\'t remember the exact number. It is mentioned in \"The Science of Discworld\" if you want to check.
 

Shawn R. L.

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Heard a thing on the radio today about the Myan calander \'end date\'. What they said was that in the Myan culture it was not viewed as being the end per se but the end with the next day being the new beginning.
 

Sand Rat

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Originally posted by mattrock
Mayans, shmayans. It\'s the ramifications of the poll reversal I\'m intrigued by.

But I agree that it bears a striking resemblance to the sky is falling mentality of the Y2K debacle.

It is a great deal of that - even if the poles start the reversal process or have started reversing, they cannot point to a specific date and say that is when it will occur. It is a geologic process and occurs on a geologic time frame - ie longer than anything that will ever occur in a human lifetime. The freaks and the press are all just trying to make a buck off of it.
 

Modderrhu

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Our counting systems are mostly made up of arbitrary, though convenient, choices. Our decimal system is most likely decimal because we have 10 fingers - convenience. Likewise, solar years and lunar months which form the basis of most our calendars are used for the sake of convenience. The Mayan calendar is just like that, except for one thing: their counting system was not as elegant as our positional system, and it has an end. The Mayan calendar is just another way of metering time, using an arbitrary (and limited) counting system.

Numerologists also tried to climb on the bandwagon, and that too is a laugh. The Gregorian calendar is arbitrary, though convenient. Decimal is arbitrary, though convenient. Both are human inventions that mean nothing to anyone or anything except for those who care how to count and mete days. Apparently, I\'m going to live to a great age, therefore the world cannot end in 5 years time.
 

Dragonsreach

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Jehovah\'s Witnesses had the date of the \"End of the World\" calculated as sometime back in 1976 as I recall.

We\'re still here aren\'t we?

Anyhow the closest date I\'ve seen warned about scientifically is Feb 19 (or is it 21) 2019 when there\'s a close pass by an asteroid.

@Roger Bunting: Hey at least we\'ll be able to see it in High Quality lol
 

Modderrhu

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Originally posted by Dragonsreach
Jehovah\'s Witnesses had the date of the \"End of the World\" calculated as sometime back in 1976 as I recall.

We\'re still here aren\'t we?
Yes well, they\'re a little unreliable as seers and prophets. That\'s the 2nd or 3rd Doomsday prediction they made and fluffed. Don\'t these people learn?!?
 

Torn blue sky

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It\'s the end of the world as we know it! (and I feel fine)
It\'s the end of the world as we know it! (and I feel fine)
It\'s the end of the world as we know it! (and I feel fine)

Yeah whats the frequency Kenith? lol
 

Naukhel

Active member
Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.
The world already ended, and hardly anyone noticed.

The christians, or at least the catholics, say \"Christ has died. Christ is risen. Christ
will come again.\"

His return is to be at the time of judgement, as I understand it.

But, alas... Christ died. Christ rose. By definition, when he rose, he came again.

The Rapture\'s already happened, and most everybody missed it.

The Chosen (aka the jewish people) failed to recognize the coming of the
Messhiach (sp?), and so, remain earthbound, instead of living at God\'s
right hand.

Nietzche was wrong. God isn\'t dead. He just finished what he was doing and
left.

lol
 

supervike

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Originally posted by PegaZus
Its bunk. Don\'t worry about the date.

I remember in the 80\'s (oh god... not another ramblin\' ol\' man story) HBO had this special on Nostradamus, narrated by Orsen Wells. I was maybe 9 or 10 at the time and was so scared because he\'d predicted world wide drought! I was saving two liter bottles of water and stuffing them under my bed to \"prepare\". Got set straight by Mom and never went thirsty.

Getting back to the Mayans, Dec 21, 2012 will just represent the start of the thirteenth b\'ak\'tun. More akin to the turning of a millinium. And the \"truncation\" to five digits is the equivalent of the Year 2000 bug.


I remember that Orson Wells thingie. Except I remember vividly seeing it in a theater. It was called \"The Man Who Saw Tommorow\" It scared me too as a kid...If i recall there was supposed to be a major war in the holy land, and the rise of the third anti-christ in the mid-east...all a prelude to nuclear annihilation.

Good thing nothing like that happened!!
 

supervike

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Yeah, I\'m reminded of the manual I saw once for what to do at the end of the world.


1. Bend over until head is between knees.

2. Kiss ass goodbye.

lollol
 

mattrock

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Well, there seems to be a lot of focus in this thread on the mayan calendar, but there\'s much more than that. (Understand I\'m very skeptical and certainly not trying to convince anyone here, just pointing out the other sources)

- the mayan calendar seems to end on December 21, 2012

- The Hopi Indians predicted a cataclysmic even on that date

- The I-Ching, the oldest chinese text and prophetic book, predicts a cataclysm on that date

- Albert Einstein made predictions about a sudden shift of polls and the effect on the earth

- A computer software application called \"spiders\" that roves the net looking for tidbits of information to try to predict market trends has predicted a cataclysm on that date. This same program predicted 9/11 and other such recent events. But since it measures buzz, it would make sense that 2012 would come up

- And finally, modern geophysicists (and this is the one that got me interested) are talking about a rare and rather sudden (perhaps within a matter of hours) reversal of the polls on that date resulting from an alignment of the Earth with the sun on one side and a massive black hole within the Milky Way system on the other. This apparently happens only once every 27,800 years or so so there is little record or the last time it happened save for some geological evidence which appears to have been fairly dramatic.

I find it all interesting anyway.

@ steelcult - actually the way I understand it, this time they can point to a specific date because of a specific and regular event that will trigger it. As I mentioned the alignment issue above. I may be incorrect, but my understanding is that this pole reversal will be rather a good bit more sudden than the typical reversal and at it\'s best could be undetectable unless you are holding a compass. At it\'s worst it could possible result in a total shift of the earth\'s crust 180 degrees. That would suck. Scientists don\'t fully understand it.

@ dragonsreach - in all fairness, Jehovah\'s witnesses can\'t even foresee the reaction they\'ll get when they knock on people\'s doors at the worst possible times so I\'d largely disregard their other such predictions.

@ Naukhel - Being a theologian by educational background (my degree fields are all in systematic theology) I\'d have to differ with your interpretation of events. The imminent return of Christ was prophesied both before and after his death, burial and resurrection along with a number of other events of fairly major import. Your transliterate spelling of the Hebrew word for Messiah is fair enough and while it\'s true that they didn\'t recognize him when he came (as they confused the prophecies of this first and second coming and were looking for the conquering Messhiach that he will be at the second coming), they remain the chosen people of God (which means only that God has chosen to reveal himself to a watching world through that nation...and if you look at it, it\'s not that tough to see even now that the majority of them are rather agnostic - how in the world has that nation survived the persecution they\'ve endured?) and many will indeed be found at the right hand of God based on the completed work of Christ. Not to get all \"Jesus Freak\" but I just thought I\'d chime in on your ideas. Reading Isaiah, Thessalonians, Daniel and Revelation actually makes the distinctions pretty clear between the first and second comings of Messhiach and how they will differ.

Sorry for any spelling errors...this is a friggin book...I\'m not going to proofread it.

So back to the thread point: What do you think of all the other non-mayan claims? ???
 
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