Evolution?

Shawn R. L.

Shawn R. L.

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Originally posted by Monkfish44
I\'m with rocketandroll, I don\'t understand how anybody can just accept what they\'re told without testing it, or questioning it.
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You limit yourself by the extent of the reach of your own mind. Email post\'s cant confirm this but I\'m not saying this as a slap in the face. It\'s just how I view things.

By rational choice I choose to believe that my mind, nor any humans mind, can even come close to encompassing ALL there is. I choose to believe beyond myself. I don\'t come to that choice by stupidity of throwing my life to the wind. I have often been put into situations where my own strength, resources and such were COMPLETELY depleted and I took step\'s \'into the unknown\'. Where I couldn\'t see. At times it was take a step out \'there\' or die....literally. My own mind and logic didn\'t have the answers. I havent had any Hollywood experiences but have SEEN over and over that there is more there than what I can wrap my mind around. Some would chalk it up to - \'my, what an odd coincidence\'........I choose to believe what is said here -
Hebrews 11:6 Now without faith it is impossible to please God, for whoever comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who diligently search for him.

Take a chance - what have you got to lose?:)
 
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Dedwrekka

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Originally posted by Monkfish44
I\'m with rocketandroll, I don\'t understand how anybody can just accept what they\'re told without testing it, or questioning it.
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It\'s a choice, just as rational as any other decision is (which is to say that it is both rational and irrational, both and neither). In each person\'s own way they accept what they are told. When someone is told that they should not accept an answer without first exploring it, they accept that (a delicious irony in my book). When one decides to explore the meanings and ideas behind exploring what they are told, they may decide that the exploration of their ideas is not what they want.

During the course of psychology class in high school I learned a lot of what goes on behind people\'s minds, thoughts, actions, reactions, and feelings. I can tell you that according to some psychologists you believe what you want to believe because you believe it to be true (Nature), that according to others you believe it because it is what others around you believe (Sociology), and still others will tell you that you believe what you believe because you are brought up to believe it (Nurture). Now, psychoanalysis is probably the most dangerous weapon anyone can wield, both to others and to yourself. People don\'t like to be told the truth about themselves and why they do what they do, we like to believe ourselves just slightly mysterious. Furthermore it\'s something that destroys personalities and is probably the most responsible for the high level of alcoholism and suicide among psychiatrists.

What you\'re asking someone to do is to question their surroundings and themselves, and a lot of people aren\'t ready for that. Even those who are trained to do it aren\'t always ready for it. It\'s \'god\'s magic weapon\', the key to why we believe and it\'s enough to kill or drive insane anyone not ready for the bite of it\'s blade.

That is why there are those who choose not to question. For when you question happiness, contentedness, or fulfillment, it\'s left a dull grey of what it used to be.
 
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Dedwrekka

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Originally posted by No Such Agency
LOL, I can\'t believe this one is still going. Shouldn\'t you people be painting?
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Philosophy was invented by bored artists and nobles to avoid doing work, while still sounding like they were doing something complicated and confusing.
 
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funnymouth

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Originally posted by Dedwrekka
Originally posted by No Such Agency
LOL, I can\'t believe this one is still going. Shouldn\'t you people be painting?
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Philosophy was invented by bored artists and nobles to avoid doing work, while still sounding like they were doing something complicated and confusing.
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yeah, Galileo was a lazy stargazer and Newton just hung out in the shade all day.
 
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Dedwrekka

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Originally posted by funnymouth
Originally posted by Dedwrekka
Originally posted by No Such Agency
LOL, I can\'t believe this one is still going. Shouldn\'t you people be painting?
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Philosophy was invented by bored artists and nobles to avoid doing work, while still sounding like they were doing something complicated and confusing.
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yeah, Galileo was a lazy stargazer and Newton just hung out in the shade all day.
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Which is how they came up with some of their best concepts. After all, I never said they were bums or slouches, but philosophy is so under and over-rated that it can\'t compare to the results that come from it.

It\'s difficult to compare the worth of the laws of thermodynamics to the worth of wondering how objects react to one another, even though one came from the other. Which is also why it\'s so easy for modernity to describe both your examples as a wee bit eccentric in some of their theories and inventions. Much like my personal hero; Leonardo DaVinci. After all, very few take the raw process and beginnings of scientific discovery (philosophy, or \"I wonder..\" and \"I believe...\" theories) with as much seriousness as they take the discoveries and the scientific research that comes from it.

Also, the simple fact is that the renaissance and the industrial revolution prove my statement correct. Most philosophers were people who had extra time on their hands to wonder about the nature of the universe, and more time to test it out and write it down. Which denotes time not spend on labor, which denotes a means to support yourself without working all day. Hence, philosophy is the game of the bored and those not doing work (Many times, as denoted in many works of philosophy, such as in the case of Leonardo, Newton, or Galileo, philosophical insight struck in the middle of a project or labor)
 
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Prophet

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Originally posted by Shawn R. L.

Hebrews 11:6 Now without faith it is impossible to please God, for whoever comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who diligently search for him.

Take a chance - what have you got to lose?:)
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I asked that very same question of my first wife when I tried to convince her to become a mormon fundy. \"I might NEED three wives to get into heaven! Take a chance, what have you got to lose?\"
 
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Prophet

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Originally posted by supervike
Egads, can\'t we just go back to posting pictures of gun toting monkeys.

That makes me laugh.
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How dare you refer to the GOP as such! Why do you hate America!?
 
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philologus

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Originally posted by funnymouth
yeah, Galileo was a lazy stargazer and Newton just hung out in the shade all day.
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Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who set the planets in motion. God governs all things and knows all that is or can be done.
-Sir Isaac Newton
 
Infidel Castro

Infidel Castro

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\"Oh shit, I nearly had my eye out with that pointy bit of metal\"

Isaac Newton

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By the way, for all the fundie types of Christian extraction, Isaac Newton was an Unitarian and did not believe in the godhood of christ. Not particularly important until his name is bandied about in religious terms. He would have been destroyed if the church found out. Using him as an ally would likely be bad form considering the hardline approach used by many of you fundies. That was aimed at no-one in particular.

And anyway, Isaac Newton was born a loooong time before the advancements of the last century. He might have been a very different person in this modern society and his outlooks very different.
 
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