Games Day Russia painting competition

[Trevor]

I think its appalling that they make up a rule during the event to disqualify a person. And why just Russia? Why aren\'t Victoria and Glen banned from Oz GD?

This sort of thing annoys me

Edit: Oh and to the person that said winners should move on, interesting idea, but move on to what? And would you say the same of Olympians? Got a gold, don\'t bother coming back next time... I don\'t see any problem with competing year after year, helps to continuously up the game.

 

[leopardpixie]

Life is unfair, and people in high places call the shots

 

[goatman]

strange thing, but somehow i can understand, why GW reacts like this .... their reaction is wrong in every way, but i understand them.

GD russia is a very new competition and they are afraid to loose the crowd, when they realize, that they aren´t good enough to win at the competition. They want to make the hobby and the competition popular .... have i mentioned, they want to earn money? No i didn´t, shame on me
The way they do it is wrong. If i have a strong competition it can´t be the solution to bann the strongest painters just to be more attractive to the \"average\" painter. Maybe they are afraid that the will to win isn´t as big as on other GDs. Personally i think it is exactly the opposite. Why should people attend, when there is no real competition. Just to say *Hey i won a demon, cause all the good painters were banned...* Can´t be good for the competition, can´t be good for GW in russia.

Same thing was going on in germany some years ago (aka banning former years category winners to the open comp - which sucks heavily). They realized this was a fault, since only 2 winners of the former year entered open and the overall quality dropped at least a little bit. Now they changed the rules in a good way. It won´t be possible anymore to celebrate a demon-grabbing by entering as much categories as possible, which motivates the \"average\" or lets say new-to-GD-painters to enter something, while the old rabbits have to choose carefully where to enter I like it this way and it works for everyone.

@AlexiZ You´re welcome on german GD, i think they´ve learned their lesson, so something like this won´t happen to you in germany. Would be nice if you could come over here Seems like we´ll have a really strong competition this year in germany.

 

[Alexi_Z]

Originally posted by goatman
@AlexiZ You´re welcome on german GD, i think they´ve learned their lesson, so something like this won´t happen to you in germany. Would be nice if you could come over here Seems like we´ll have a really strong competition this year in germany.

Thank you, Sascha! But I cant go to german GD, because I dont have time for painting entries... I\'m not very fast painter... Maybe I will be on GD UK in this year and ofcourse I will go to GD France 2006 Participation in Russian GD was mistake... I spend too much time for this, because I think it will be interesting (actually it only one competition with good first prize in Russia), but I was wrong... I dont want enter to this farce any more...

 

[Infidel Castro]

Sascha, long time no see :wow:

It\'s a strange scenario when you have to float around from country to country to enter a competition but not be able to enter your own. Pile of bollocks ain\'t it?

 

[Alexi_Z]

Originally posted by reverend
It\'s a strange scenario when you have to float around from country to country to enter a competition but not be able to enter your own. Pile of bollocks ain\'t it?

Yes... This is very expensive, but I like contests very much, so I must do it...

 

[shinjikun1]

Im glad that after a week of silence you guys are finnally speaking up. and im glad that im not alone here. Its discrimination, strait and simple. discrimination against talent. How do you thinK Waaagh would feel after having arrived at UKGD, they are told \"NO French painters allowed, you are too good\".
I was definatly proud to win a GD, but after I heard about this it really loses its merit for me.
Who wants to win gold when it represents an exclution of the best.
But I think this insident is diferent. if the reason for disallowing Natalie was to stop others from being discouraged to come and enter, then why did they make the decicion after she entered and judging began? She was singled out. Do you think if Jérémie Bonamant Teboul or Jeff Wilson had travelled to Russia to compete they would have said \"Sorry you cant enter\".?

 

[Alexi_Z]

Originally posted by shinjikun1Do you think if Jérémie Bonamant Teboul or Jeff Wilson had travelled to Russia to compete they would have said \"Sorry you cant enter\".?

Good question...

 

[werwolf]

i think GW behaviour is a shame.It is inacceptable to withdrawed your minis from the competition Natalia,and the reason is ridiculous. And I think it s dangerous for the hobby too...

 

[Orb]

I think the whole incident exposes GW poor attempts at running competitions generally.
Different rules, categories etc in almost every country (after so many years you\'d have thought they could have settled on something by now)
Changing the rules during the competition is simply crazy and embarrassing.

The whole awards system at GD\'s needs reviewing. IMO.

 

[Infidel Castro]

They\'re a fine example of the nanny state. Stop holding people\'s hands GW! There can\'t be too many winners in life - it\'s a natural system.

 

[Molebrain]

Though I think it\'s wrong, I can understand why they reacted as they did.

I think people are getting a bit too worked up over it too. GW has had similar rules in almost all of their GD competitions until recently. It wasn\'t that long ago that past sword winners in the US and UK were not elegible for a second sword win, though they could still win individual demons. And as Sascha has mentioned, GD Germany disallowed past sword winners from any category other than Open until a few years ago.

So while we all (or mostly all) may disagree with it, it\'s not without precedent, and history has shown us that it will be changed just as it has in all the other competitions.

The proper thing for them to do would have been to find her and ask her which of her entries she would like moved to the open category. A shame they didn\'t extend that courtesy.

Zach

 

[Molebrain]

Originally posted by Alexi_Z

Originally posted by shinjikun1Do you think if Jérémie Bonamant Teboul or Jeff Wilson had travelled to Russia to compete they would have said \"Sorry you cant enter\".?

Good question...

It would have been a judgement call, as they had not won the slayer sword in Russia. Had they won the sword equivalent in Russia they probably would have been. It\'s not like she\'s being singled out for being Alexi, she just happens to be a past sword winner in a rather young GD.


Zach

 

[Infidel Castro]

It\'s the decision mid-way through a competition that rankles.

I do agree with the idea of an open category, but I also think a real competition is all in.

 

[MarkusTay]

Originally posted by reverend
It\'s the decision mid-way through a competition that rankles.

I think you are right, this is the part that is really bothering people.

 

[Infidel Castro]

It doesn\'t matter which person we\'re talking about, it\'s just silly.

Quite right Mark!

 

[Braveheart712]

One global certainty...

... is that GW is F\'ed up everywhere. I agree with what Alexi (Nataylia) said, if by some way in the rules she was unable to compete in the other categories, she should have had her work moved to the open competition. It cost money to enter right, in true GW form I bet they were happy to take her money and not tell her about the rules. Quite a slap in the face to then mention her by name, if you ask me.

BTW, Margo, I dont agree with the judging. I think your Celestine was far superior to the techmarine that won, but I bet the judges were trying to \"share the wealth\" by giving other people a gold. Pretty screwed up in my opinion, definitely not the same jugdes that scored GD LosAngeles as evident by all the hardware collected by Tom Schadle. No knock on Tom, but some of his pieces were very average, was it lack of competition or were the judges wearing their \"Vote for Pedro... I mean Tom\" t-shirts?

 

[supervike]

I thought the entries were anonymous until after they were judged...

Or am I being too niave?

 

[Legacy Account]

It\'s all a load of bollocks anyway!

£25 to contest. You enter your minis and either get nowt or some dodgy \'Oscar\' replica, maybe a cheap sword if yer good enough/lucky.

GW get the rights to flash yer hard work round anywhere they like, and charge for it! No wonder they\'re not bothered about their studio stuff any more - they get the most fantastically painted stuff imaginable for free!

A right load of pish. It\'s a bugger that there aren\'t bigger and better independent comps... with cold hard cash prizes....

 

[SaxonAngel]

Originally posted by supervike
I thought the entries were anonymous until after they were judged...

Or am I being too niave?

No you\'re right.. It is supposed to be anonymous.
A card is filled out with the title, category, etc of the entry and it\'s submitter. The named side is turned downwards onto the table so it supposedly can\'t be seen and the mini is placed on top. The people who accept the entries and the judges are different groups. This is the way it is supposed to work. And many critics and even the GW folks themselves occasionally forget that.

I would far rather win a demon in a contest that\'s judged by the quality of the figure rather than by \"the name\" who submitted it.

As for banning former winners... That stinks royally.